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He is a very considerate cyclist - mindful of his own safety but also mindful of vehicles wishing to pass him. Do you wish more cyclists cycled like that?

oh @malumbu......you know two days ago there was a London Assembly Transport Committee meeting to discuss why London buses are continuing to get slower and slower and why people are abandoning buses as a result....a panel of experts joined to discuss it - including a bus company, London Travel Watch and two union reps. Here is the link. Scroll to 1 hour 7 minutes in and have a listen for 10 minutes or so and see what the experts conclude and let me know what you think:

@malumbu absolutely spot on and cycling growth is great but there is a growing debate about at what cost to other modes - especially to walking and buses. There are many who think the Mayor and TFL has over-indexed on cycling and neglected other forms of transport and that buses, and bus passengers, are taking the brunt of it and, looking at the data, I think that is fair criticism.

@malumbu he is a very good cyclist - wearing a helmet, bright clothing, his positioning is very good, very well balanced between protecting himself and being mindful of allowing traffic to flow. He is what I would consider a well trained considerate cyclist (I count myself in that category too if you don't mind me saying!). The problem is there are so many people who have never had any sort of cycle training and just jump on a bike (Lime bike) and just wing it - putting themselves and others in danger. He certainly hasn't read articles saying he should take primary position and then just dumps himself there for the entirety of his journey - nor is his cycling erratic - you know that Lime bike look where the rider is hurtling along, often with phone in hand, weaving across the carriageway and using mind control to indicate they are about to turn! His comment about creating a positive road culture is spot on and I wish more cyclists would subscribe to that. Those described by @Angelina were doing the polar opposite. If all cyclists cycled like him I doubt anyone would have any gripes - but the big challenge is they don't.

No it's not - it's what was actually happening based on TFL's own data - based on fact. I am sorry you don't like how I phrased it but that does not make it dishonest. It is utterly ludicrous you are attacking those elements of what I said as I was not using that in the negative at all - merely highlighting the fact that suddenly growth has increased - I presume that because you are so upset by the use of the word decline you are equally upset by the use of the word increased. To be clear - and you have thus far managed to avoid commenting on this statement I posted earlier - the following is equally true isn't it? But it would also be true to say (to address the pedants amongst you) that there has been growth in cycle stages but between 2022 and 2024 cycle stage growth slowed dramatically and then between 2024 and 2025 increased massively (but no-one seems to know why). And that 43% growth in cycle stages from 2019 and 2025 is nowhere near the tenfold increase touted by the Mayor and TFL when they began their investment of around £800m in cycle infrastructure in 2021.

Err @Earl Aelfheah please do try to get the basis facts right at least - I asked people what the catalyst was for this year's growth after two years of growth decline/slowdown, else people may think you are engaging in dishonest rhetorical framing..... Genuine question - do you actually read my posts before launching an attack? Meanwhile on the buses - are we robbing Peter to pay Paul: https://southwarknews.co.uk/area/london/london-bus-speeds-worst-weve-seen-in-40-years-assembly-told/

What about lights? You didn't answer that bit..... Millions of people would respectfully disagree with you on the bright clothes issue. Remember the wise words from the fighter pilot...always wear high contrast clothes and a helmet...as a cyclist myself both seem like very, very sensible suggestions.

What is not true that I linked it to getting £800m of funding. You added the £800m, I said lobbying for funds. In 2020 they were lobbying for funds - they got £87m in the first round. You are constantly adding things people didn't say to aid your attacks. Multiple posters have had to tell you before but please stop it. You do it all the time. Again. Just nonsense. I pasted the opening sentence from the press release in it's entirety. That wasn't selective editing (something i notice you did to my 2021 post you passed to try to attack me). P.S. are you suggesting the 9.5x growth in cycling hasn't materialised because demand hasn't return? As a side note tube demand is back to between 81% and 88% of pre-covid levels. Growth. Yes. Close to the ten-fold Streetspace was touted as potentially delivering? Nowhere near. The TFL modelling was clearly either massively flawed or folks were trying to drive an opportunistic narrative? No matter the circumstances a tenfold increase was clearly never going to happen under any circumstances. Again. Nonsense. This latest round of attacks were triggered because I dared asked whether anyone knew what was creating the sudden rise in cycling growth. Again, I posted the LCC comments (which you attacked me for) to try and draw out a discussion. Clearly impossible when those you are engaging with are just here for an argument.

Did anyone actually make this claim - or are you putting words into people's mouths again? Nope. Wrong. Carefully re-read the press release. https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/mayors-bold-plan-will-overhaul-capitals-streets?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOleDhjbGNrA6V4H2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHnjF6_KNVYD87w51L1CY3cxDmYTY7vuJ-W5EkVv-Dy0q2Lv8Bb8145EFPl9O_aem_tH55yqGGzEhBy4g5u7h3Fg I mean the headline tells you what they were saying: Mayor’s bold new Streetspace plan will overhaul London’s streets and so do the bullets linked to the headline: Transformation of London’s roads to be fast-tracked, giving space to new cycle lanes and wider pavements to enable social distancing Landmark locations to benefit from temporary bike routes and more space for walking to reduce pressure on Tube and buses Clean, green and sustainable travel to be at the heart of London’s recovery Cycling could increase 10-fold and walking five-fold post-lockdown And the first line: The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, and TfL have today unveiled their ‘London Streetspace’ programme which will rapidly transform London’s streets to accommodate a possible ten-fold increase in cycling and five-fold increase in walking when lockdown restrictions are eased. I mean, it's pretty clear (even to me) what they are saying. That's their view (interesting don't you think that they are saying they need to see more detail to determine where it is coming from). I thought it might catalyse some of you out of the attack dog zone and spur a discussion. Clearly not.

But it would also be true to say (to address the pedants amongst you) that there has been growth in cycle stages but between 2022 and 2024 cycle stage growth slowed dramatically and then between 2024 and 2025 increased massively (but no-one seems to know why). And that 43% growth in cycle stages from 2019 and 2025 is nowhere near the tenfold increase touted by the Mayor and TFL when they began their investment of around £800m in cycle infrastructure in 2021. @Earl Aelfheah yes or no will suffice. It is true to say that isn't it? I don't know that was why I was asking the cycle experts and protagonists on here - to see if anyone knew. Normally there's someone who has the inside track on what is happening in the world of cycling and quick to laud increases like that. It's not Santander as that is still at the lower levels after casual users declined. Your good friends the LCC had a guess at what was driving it: https://lcc.org.uk/news/1-5-million-cycled-journeys-daily-woo-hoo/ Why is cycling booming? Until we see a lot more detail from TfL with their next full Travel In London report, it’s difficult to assess exactly what’s going on, but we’d suggest that the growth in cycling comes down to two major themes… 1. Dockless hire We have heard several times that ‘gig economy’ cycling for companies such as Uber Eats and Deliveroo now accounts for circa 10 percent of all cycling in London – obviously though this is a relatively small number of riders each doing lots of journeys daily. But a second circa 10 percent is now accounted for by dockless hire cycle journeys from users of Lime, Forest, Voi and other operators’ bikes. Both types of riders and approaches are undeniably causing issues for Londoners, some serious and significant, but also both are broadly part of a revolution for movement away from private motor vehicles and towards more and a wider range of people cycling more for ‘everyday’ journeys. 2. Rollout of cycle infrastructure It’s impossible to tell exactly for now how much the growth in cycling is down to dockless etc. and how much is down to TfL and London’s councils rollout of more cycling infrastructure (as well as the lag from that already delivered to people changing behaviour). But TfL’s release says that the ‘strategic cycle network’ of TfL-signed ‘Cycleways’ now stands at 431km, up from 90km in 2016. The role infrastructure plays anecdotally chimes with the growth visible for central, inner and outer London. Are you sure? I have read reports (many of them from TFL) that in the 2019/20 year they invested £147m, then £119m, £130m, £160m in the following years - I think this is why many quote the total figure at around £800m.

@malumbu yes we understand that but do you agree that wearing bright clothes and having working lights will help you to be seen. That, after all, was the whole point of the thread not whether a driver gets prosecuted if they rear-end a cyclist.

Absolutely right. But, as the previous pages show, wearing bright clothes and having lights (especially at night) will probably help you to be seen. And this, after all, was the whole point of the original post.

But it would also be true to say (to address the pedants amongst you) that there has been growth in cycle stages but between 2022 and 2024 cycle stage growth slowed dramatically and then between 2024 and 2025 increased massively (but no-one seems to know why). And that 43% growth in cycle stages from 2019 and 2025 is nowhere near the tenfold increase touted by the Mayor and TFL when they began their investment of around £800m in cycle infrastructure in 2021. Again, that's really rich coming from you. You have a nerve! 😉

Clearly year by year too - it's why things tend to be analysed annually as it more clearly shows trends. Still, no-one can offer any reason why there has been a significant change in the growth rate - as usual everyone seems very keen to shoot the messenger and ignore the message!

@exdulwicher can we have less of the passive aggressive attacks please - are you even going to both to try and answer the question or just here for the fun of the pile-on? You're supposed to be an expert in such matters yet you seem unable to offer any conclusion - like many others, just posting to attack me for daring to ask the question. The usual suspect responses are hilarious to read - creatures of habit and all that!

@Earl Aelfheah honestly. What I am clearly saying is that the promised-land of ten-fold increase in cycling that TFL and the Mayor used to secure hundreds of millions of pounds (remember this was based on TFL's own modelling so one presumes for the Mayor and Will Norman to use it they must have thought it was attainable) of tax-payers money for Streetspace has not materialised. Not even close - we are struggling to get to a one-fold increase. Even giving a politician a healthy slice of "they sometimes say things they get wrong" that ten-fold increase was clearly TFL modelling nonsense. Cycling stage growth decline. The clue is in my sentences (which are very clear to most people) about it - let me repost it in the hope you read it this time.....notice how growth goes from 18% - to 6.3% and then 5%.....that's a decline in growth isn't it? Or are you going to continue the habit of a lifetime and argue it is now. Now it's back up to 12.7% so it's not unreasonable to ask what the trigger for the increase in growth as it is a sizeable jump wouldn't you agree? (I doubt you will but it's worth a try at least...;-)) But until this year cycle stage growth was in decline in the preceding years: in 21/22 it was 18%, in 22/23 it was 6.3% in 23/24 down to 5% and then in 24/25 back up to 12.7%.

For us it was via the Met police online reporting portal.

Hmmm, you might want to do some fact checking....fear not I did it for you. The ten-fold increase was the headline stat when TFL and the Mayor created their StreetSpace strategy during Covid. Streetspace replaced Healthy Streets (cynics may say that after years of struggling to get support and consultation greenlight for their OHS plans they took the emergency powers they were given during Covid to roll-out measures without the need for consultation). The ten-fold increase was, apparently, based on TFL modelling. Here is the link to the press release they put out at the time: https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/mayors-bold-plan-will-overhaul-capitals-streets?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOleDhjbGNrA6V4H2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHnjF6_KNVYD87w51L1CY3cxDmYTY7vuJ-W5EkVv-Dy0q2Lv8Bb8145EFPl9O_aem_tH55yqGGzEhBy4g5u7h3Fg Mayor’s bold new Streetspace plan will overhaul London’s streets Transformation of London’s roads to be fast-tracked, giving space to new cycle lanes and wider pavements to enable social distancing Landmark locations to benefit from temporary bike routes and more space for walking to reduce pressure on Tube and buses Clean, green and sustainable travel to be at the heart of London’s recovery Cycling could increase 10-fold and walking five-fold post-lockdown This was jumped on by the pro-cycling media usual suspects and Will Norman even wrote op eds quoting the ten-fold increase. https://bikebiz.com/mayors-streetspace-plan-could-see-cycling-increased-tenfold-post-lockdown/ @Earl Aelfheah your preceding post is getting embarrassing now such is your frantic desire to try and land a punch. Sorry to break it to you but you keep missing: in 2023 cycling growth HAD stalled - it was declining so that statement was absolutely 100% correct. How that is proving me wrong is anyone's guess but maybe it further exposes some of the desperate tactics used to try an attack some of us. And now to rescue the conversation from the grudge-match war of words some are waging: @exdulwicher you still haven't explained why a sudden increase may be reported by TFL - any ideas? What was it that caused cycling stage growth to jump by so much after a couple of years of decline? Are you saying TFL may be collecting the data differently or has changed their methodology to give the big jump - if that was the case surely some sort of explanation would be required especially given that that was the headline stat used by most of the media? I just don't see a sudden switch from 5% growth in cycle stages to 12.7% without some significant catalyst behind it - is it a massive increase in Lime bike usage or something like that?

I have consistently said a decline in growth....which it is exactly what it is....which can also be referred to as a slowing in growth if you prefer....deary, deary me.... Ha ha....still some way to go to get to the 10x increase promised during the lobbying for funds phase during Covid though....we are seemingly at .43x after 6 years.... @DulvilleRes what, in your mind, have I been proved wrong about exactly? Is what I say about the data and information in TFL's report wrong? No it isn't. Do you have an opinion on the catalysts for the big jump in cycle stage growth this last year - or are you just here to try and attack a fellow poster? I do find it laughable that you suggest I am pushing propaganda when asking questions about TFL's report....

But until this year cycle stage growth was in decline in the preceding years: in 21/22 it was 18%, in 22/23 it was 6.3% in 23/24 down to 5% and then in 24/25 back up to 12.7%. I don't think infrastructure is irrelevant - but it just doesn't explain the over doubling of cycle stage growth in the last year.

But does that explain the massive sudden annual jump from 5% to 12.7% - I believe (and it's hard to tell as TFL has changed their reporting methodology over the years) that could be a bigger % jump in growth than even during and post-Covid? Would you not expect that if it was infrastructure then growth would be gradual rather than an overnight jump? This year massively bucked the year-on-year decline in cycle-stage growth. Anyone else got any other ideas?

oh @Earl Aelfheah..........deary, deary me....you're on a roll today aren't you 😉

@Penguin68 this is why I am interested in the opinions of others - this thread is about the headline stats which look good and have been repurposed as such by the OP but it is interesting that TFL's report, and subsequent headlines, always leans in on cycling - it is as if it is the only mode that matters - as if that is the only thing TFL and the Mayor really cares about - and seemingly the challenges of hitting their own walking targets suggest this may well be the case. A more than doubling of cycle stage growth hasn't just come out of nowhere (especially after repeated years of growth decline) and I am interested to see what people think is the catalyst for this - I am not buying the infrastructure message - that seems more like grandstanding and I am surprised TFL has not backed-up their claims with more detail on where the growth is coming from. @Earl Aelfheah you must stop jumping to such negative conclusions. I am not downplaying the data just asking if people know what is driving the large jump this year (after years of decline in cycling growth). Is that a question I am not allowed to ask? I would suggest that anyone who had read the TFL report (and not just the headlines from TFL's press release) would probably ask the same questions I am as there are clear contradictions within it - do you have any explanation?

@Earl Aelfheah do you cycle much at night....? I think anyone who does can recognise the situations I describe.

@Earl Aelfheah do you even know the point you are trying to make anymore? You can pluck quotes that I made over the years and as I explained - it was very much in context TFL data at the time of the post - you cannot deny that - look at what TFL said in their own annual reports - the facts are there in black and white - I am afraid you seem to be falling into old habits again - wildly swinging to try and land a punch but missing by a country mile. What I think is interesting is you seem far keener to dig out quotes from years ago (all of which were 100% correct when posted) to try to make a point rather than share your thoughts on why this year TFL's report claims a significant increase in cycle stages after years of stagnation and declines in the growth number yet the same report suggests Londoners are cycling less. I remind you in 23-24 report cycle stage growth was down year-on-year to 5% yet this year up to 12.7%. Any ideas - let's see if you can keep the thread on track? Meanwhile it is interesting that the London Assembly called a number of experts to their transport committee in September to try to understand why - despite TFL's Walkability Plan - there had been no growth in walking numbers in London since 2019 (and for context walking is by far the biggest modal share of any transport type in London) and TFL was repeatedly 800,000 journeys short of it's own targets....and do you know the one thing cited as a reason for the challenges - the growth of micromobility - people are taking e-bikes and e-scooters to do perfectly walk-able journeys. Fascinating watch particularly the chap from the University of Westminster (Rachel Aldred's crew) who was on the panel and was squirming a bit when asked and he said all active travel is considered good in their mind when challenged on whether micromobility and cluttering was causing the stagnation in walking....https://webcasts.london.gov.uk/Assembly/Event/Index/1a7a64bf-3f4b-4ea2-99fc-4ff3725d477a