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What are you talking about @Earl Aelfheah - not all crime fell. Because Calton Avenue has never followed the London trend for London-wide theft from person - until 2021. Look at the chart. Nonsense. From day one I have been looking at those crimes most likely to increase with quieter streets. I have explained this to you numerous times before - you're just not listening. Trust me, I am echoing the concerns of many of my neighbours who live in the area. People are concerned and are talking about it and local street What's App groups are full of concerned residents reporting crimes taking place in the area. Police are knocking on doors telling residents how to protect themselves from crime and distributing leaflets (and of course a PCSO was saying that some crime has increased since the LTNs went in). So please, don't try to tell me how people in the area are feeling because I actually live in the area.

Other opinions may exist..... Yes. Well the role that LTN's have played in them.

Ah @Earl Aelfheah resorting to taking certain quotes out of context again...what a surprise....creatures of habit and all that. Perhaps you would be so kind as posting the rest of the quote and context from Dec 2024 in relation to when I was arguing about the junction being more dangerous for pedestrians now? I still stand by my comment about LTNs making congestion and pollution worse. And on crime I post the below again. The London trend is a red-herring as you can see that Calton has never previously followed the London trend until, mysteriously, around 2021......right now theft from person across the whole of Dulwich is massively outpacing our neighbouring wards and, if the news about Sadiq Khan saying theft from person was trending at 13% down year on year for the same period as the charts below across London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62nqvzzq79o, it is now significantly above the London trend.

And let's be honest it was the lack of appropriate process that got the LTN in West Dulwich removed so good on @first mate for trying to hold the council to account. They cannot be allowed to cut corners.

Ah at it again @DulvilleRes...... Edited 1 hour ago by Earl Aelfheah But was that discussion back in July not based on the numbers from police tracking of crimes over the last three years? I think you're losing track of the conversation rather than me... Except the Met police published data over the last 3 years for Dulwich Village, the StreetScan information and the recent powerpoint from the Dulwich Village Ward Met Police meeting....how much data do you require exactly....;-)

@DulvilleRes I am definitely no lawyer but I do know your repeated and relentless insinuations/allegations that I am somehow involved in OneDulwich or part of a political party, and that I am lying about that, are crossing a line. I have told you repeatedly I have nothing to do with OneDulwich or any political party. You clearly do not believe that but you should probably stop trying to harm my reputation by repeating it ad nauseam. I am not trying to chill scrutiny and debate - far from it - I am just trying to stop you from resorting to desperate tactics to try to harm my reputation. So, stop the petty playground stuff and debate but try not to resort to what amounts to childish name-calling.

I have been very clear and specific about what I have said. You try to manipulate that for your own benefit - it's what you do. I have shared more than enough data to back up the claims I have made - some of which you linked to but then tried to discredit. As I say, time will prove I am right with my summation of what is happening with certain types of crime in Dulwich Village. Mark my words....;-)

Ha ha, what's the figure for theft from person for London then because in the last MetEngage figures comparing the last three months to the 2024 comparative 3 months theft from person increased by 180% in Dulwich Village (although let's be clear I suspect that was a one-off that high but won't do any good to the annual increase numbers).......and, as I showed you previously form the Met's own figures it has been rising every year for the last few years..... As with so much of this stuff you can say what you want but, over time, the real story will come out and I suspect that like so many examples in the past we will be right and you will be wrong!

And Lime seem to be trying to tighten the rules around this as under-18s have been able to get access to the bikes. Our experience is that Lime and Uber are trying to update their databases and enforce the over-18s only rule a bit more tightly.

@Earl Aelfheah absolute selective blinkered nonsense from you again - you're so predictable. The numbers are there for all to see (I do think it is interesting that after your cohorts claimed the numbers I shared from StreetScan to show increasing crime rates for certain types of crime were not correct you are now using their numbers). The bottom line remains that those of us who live in the area know what is going on - we see it happening and read about it on local social groups. The police know what is going on and are actively speaking to residents to give them advice on how to prevent it. You, clearly, do not want to acknowledge what is going on. That's fine - that's your prerogative. A bit like the Lime bike/e-bikes causing injuries story your cohort can deny things all you want but over time the truth will always come out. The fact the Lib Dems are actively pushing a crime problem narrative in Dulwich Village pre-election flyers suggests to me that it will become an issue at the local elections - so expect to hear more on it over the coming months. Are political parties pushing that agenda in your ward too?

There was also a segment on the BBC London News tonight and one surgeon was saying the increased weight of e-bikes was causing maneuversbility issues that were causing more accidents. Not sure we need to. Given the surgeons' claim of the burden on the NHS dealing with the issues I very much suspect action will be taken - it happened with e-scooters. Some of us have been saying this for a long time. Some have been too blinkered to notice.

When did I ever mention theft from cars in relation to increasing crime categories?

Ha ha, you do surprise me... Seemingly surgeons at A&E aren't their biggest fans either. I would suggest we are trying to improve things - a bit like those surgeons......one of them said: "We should do something about it, I don't think we can let this carry on," Jaison says. Powerful words from those on the front line.

Ha ha @exdulwicher are you now trying to suggest that surgeons are now part of some anti-cycling lobby group....next our good friend @malumbu will be accusing them of being Reform supporters.... As I have been saying for a long time - medics are always the ones who ultimately start the debate when there is a problem and often it leads to change - it happened with e-scooters and now seems to be happening with e-bikes. This is pretty compelling isn't it and look a stat - or is that stat from the surgeons what-iffery as well: Frida is one of 150 such cases to come through this Royal London unit in the past six months. Surgeon Jaison Patel is seeing more and more cases like this. "It's a massive burden on our department and I'm sure it's the same across the whole of London," he tells us. "If we can reduce the number of patients coming in with these sorts of injuries it would be great for the patients obviously, but also takes massive pressure off us in the NHS."

@malumbu regardless of whether people ride Lime bikes or like the concept do you accept, based on the testimony of front line medical workers from A&E departments in the BBC article, that there may be an increasing trend of, potentially life changing, injuries caused by the weight of said electric bikes? A yes/no answer will suffice......

There have been clear patterns of increases in some types of crime in the area but the stats on that over a longer period of time ( both from a site that @Earl Aelfheah shared and also the numbers I gathered from the Police data site) were dismissed by the usual suspects. Clearly there can be no argument on the stats direct from the Met that are also mirroring those trends I previously noted and shared.

But theft from person is clearly not a shrinking problem is it - I think you could say that issue is growing exponentially....and that is what I have been saying - not sure I ever mentioned car crime did I? Hurrah your car won't be broken into but you're far more likely to be mugged or robbed maybe even at knifepoint...yeah that'll make everyone feel so much safer.......

Nonsense. The Met's own stats shows increasing problems with crimes like theft from person in the Dulwich Village area. Anyone who lives in the area is more than aware of it and clearly the Met's latest data shows the extent of the problem (well over 150% increase year on year for the last three months for theft from person) and demonstrates that we are not imagining it! Which I am sure those looking in from the outside would like to try to convince people is the case! I am laughing because we have seen this so many times before: "This is happening" "No it is not, where is the data?" "Here is the data (StreetScan)" "No that data is wrong" "Well what about this data from the police (Met Police)" "No that data is not showing that and any way those numbers are nothing compared to Detroit in the 80s"

What I have been saying for a long time that, within the Dulwich Village area and particularly around the LTNs there is a growing problem with certain types of crime, especially theft from person - that's the huge light blue chunk in the Met's graphs BTW. I think you tried to tell us it wasn't a growing problem. Clearly, according to the Met's own analysis, it is.

As we have been saying for a long time - in lieu of actual data (to satiate the "where is the data" to show this is a problem brigade) it is always casualty departments that see the impact of the problems first and change always starts from there. It will be interesting to see how the usual suspects try to spin out of this......as we have been saying for a long time there is clearly a problem. Interesting what one of the surgeons says: Nick explains that he is a cyclist himself, and it's something he encourages people to do for the benefit of their health. But, he has real concerns about e-bikes, and says: "What we've noticed with e-bikes is that the speed in which people are coming off is much higher and as a result, the injuries are much worse." He shows us X-rays of someone who has broken their collarbone. He explains that with e-bikes, the injuries they're seeing are much more severe, and as such, people are "struggling to get back to normality". Nick and Jaison both agree it's something they're seeing increasingly more of as time goes by, and they think the industry needs better regulation. "We should do something about it, I don't think we can let this carry on," Jaison says.

@Earl Aelfheah....still waiting....come on give us your best shot...just look at how Dulwich Village compares to neighbouring wards the second highest levels of crime after Sydenham - and the biggest number of theft from persons of any neighbouring ward - at least twice as many as any other ward. I am glad to see the Lib Dems are bringing crime to the fore in their recent election leaflet that dropped through our door - is it true that Southwark cut Community Wardens for Dulwich as the Lib Dems suggest?

I think you're, deliberately so, missing the point @Dogkennelhillbilly. Perhaps those so vexed about the supposed opaqueness of OneDulwich ought to start spending more time looking at the very, very cosy relationships between the council and the various interlinked active travel lobbying groups.... @Earl Aelfheah unsubstantiated fear of crime.....errrrr,the Met's latest crime numbers for Dulwich Village don't make happy reading do they....

When @DulvilleRes sent me looking for the "Choose a Good Councillor" article on the OneDulwich site I found something one there that I had not seen before. Namely a brilliant piece on the Winners and Losers of the scheme: https://www.onedulwich.uk/winners-and-losers And within that OneDulwich maps the links between the various active travel lobby groups and the council. It is fascinating. Let's be honest, if all you care about is the person behind OneDulwich but aren't interested in the lobby groups helping pull the council's strings then your attention is probably misplaced.....look @DulvilleRes your beloved Dulwich Society Travel and Environmental Sub-Committee even gets an honourable mention! @Dogkennelhillbilly in the context of my above post I think you might be right - there are so many of these local active travel lobby groups that pump out misinformation yet seem to have strong links to the council.

I am absolutely 100% in favour of accountability. When you take a step back, take the blinkers off and actually take a look at what they were posting in relation to "Choose a good councillor" someone with a completely impartial eye would say that they approached each candidate and asked them for their views on the LTNs and posted their responses. I don't think you can accuse them of bias as they approached and printed the responses of each one (a couple did not respond in the first instance) - someone with a political agenda for one party doesn't tend to do that. Now, of course, two parties came out and said they would remove the LTNs in Dulwich and that was the Tories and the Lib Dems and it can come as no surprise that a group campaigning for the removal of the LTNS were pleased when two parties said that is what they would do. Honestly @DulvilleRes take the (red) rose tinted glasses off for a second. P.S. When you alerted me to the Choose a Good Councillor I went to check it on the OneDulwich website and stumbled upon a really interesting analysis piece that they did that I will post in the OneDulwich section that I had not seen before - so thank you for that! 100% yes that is still my position. You might find it implausible but for you the challenge is that my assertion is 100% true. And you are 100% wrong in your assertion that I am somehow involved in OneDulwich or know the people who are. Yes, a number of us post the OneDulwich Campaign Updates. How do we get them? Well, as one of the 2,100 people who signed up to get the campaign updates when we registered to be one of the 2,100 people they get sent to me every time they get sent out. Why should I not be proud that the detective work I am doing, fighting the nonsense narratives a lot of people on here put out, is picked up by a local campaign group? I am pretty sure that someone from OneDulwich probably frequents this forum - sees what we are all arguing about and uses the bits they find useful for their own means - and bravo to them - a community forum helping a community campaign! #powertothepeople No I may not be a lawyer but your relentless tactic of trying to insinuate I am somehow something to do with OneDulwich is starting to stick amongst some of your peers (and they are starting to repeat it) and that, my good friend, is potentially libellous. I have told you 1000 times - I am nothing to do with OneDulwich nor have any affiliation of any sort to any politicial party and you are repeatedly trying to spread a falsehood about me in many of your posts. I am all for good natured banter but you are repeatedly stepping over a line in a desperate attempt to attack me. The accusation is not true so please stop it.

Does anyone remember that time not so long ago that the trend was for removing as much street furniture as possible to make our streets safer....the polar opposite now seems to be in play....?