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I am definitely not perfect but the things people accuse me of on here is ridiculous - if AI did a run of the accusations made against me by some other posters and summarised it, it would make scary reading - "lair", "outed someone", "childish", "embarrassing", "right-wing petrolhead Reform supporter", and so the list goes on. Good job I have a thick skin! Yes I did realise that! 😉

A number of posters have been hounded off the forum such is the toxicity aimed at them...I mean look at some of the names I have been called on this thread alone....makes you think doesn't it? They came a long way then didn't they to be referred to as the 4th emergency service for a long time! 😉 The point remains they are trying to draw attention to the use of PCNs as a money-making exercise. I presume you disagree with them and their expert assessment?

And that's when it gets complicated because some people, normally those with an ideological obsession over something cannot stand the fact that people dare challenge their particular view of the world and will often respond in an aggressive knee-jerk way (and seemingly name calling). There is a long list of posters who used to join the debate but have been hounded out by the relentless name-calling by the pro-active travel lobby. And we should remind ourselves that some of the very worst posters on this forum have purported to be supporters of LTNs (LTNBooHoo, LTNManatee, RaptorTruck etc). Is that not the AA? I think there are some on this forum (not you Ex) who are very closely aligned to the council or the active travel lobby...I mean someone went to a lot of trouble to get publically available information about the Dulwich Society redacted from a post I made. I mean, why would anyone do that? Even the person it concerned had posted their LCC Active Travel Campaigner award on their own Twitter feed....yet someone on here didn't want that to become common knowledge. And @exdulwicher I love the fact we agree on pastry product preference! And that still holds after all these years! You see...we do all love each other really!

Such a shame as Dells is fantastic - a decent local business providing a great service to residents.

Ha ha that's hilarious - how wonderfully embarrassing for Reform!

Ha ha....a few more of the usual suspect joining the pile-on and we'll have the full house! The bottom line is some of us take a more pragmatic approach to analysing what is happening. Some of you will never accept any criticism of anything that you are ideologically aligned to - look we get it and understand it - it's difficult to criticise something that you adore but the cult-like obsession with defending any criticism shows how entrenched some are. Look at this thread - the AA thinks that councils are using PCNs as money-making exercises and look how agitated some get in defending the councils over it. It's laughable and the fact some get so agitated probably shows that the AA were right to make the claim!

@Sue yes @Earl Aelfheah has managed to batter me into submission as well.....I just can't be bothered anymore...it's pointless...they take the conversation in circles regurgitating the same out of context narrative - it's relentless. And yes, I agree that I disagree with the majority of what they say!

Oh @Earl Aelfheah.........where's that facepalm emoji....

No @Earl Aelfheah you're doing what you always do - not reading things properly, taking things people post out of context and then creating a false narrative. The intervention I have always referred to in this regard was before the LTN was put in place. It was during the OHS implementation when the junction was still open to vehicles (around 2017/18). The council did local monitoring around the junction and published the results in their report and the results showed there had been an increase in pollution around the junction post implementation. I suspect it was the last time the council did localised monitoring of one of their interventions as it showed they had made pollution worse as they had created congestion, they then pivoted for "area wide" monitoring on a number of bars for "success" of the LTNs. And what happened when the DV LTN went in - congestion increased along Dulwich Village? So it doesn't take a genius to work out that if pollution increased when congestion did during OHS implementation then it must have done post DV LTN - it's just the council weren't publishing local pollution data as they did post OHS.

I just knew you would have to have the last say….;-)

@Earl Aelfheah all you're doing is validating the very point I was making. Thank you. I stand by everything I said but only in the context of the discussion it was said in! ;-) Now I am going to go and "put my big boy pants on". ;-) It is because the Southwark reports showed pollution increased after those changes. You cannot deny that.

Ok........I said I didn't want to bore people but that was in relation to the increases in pollution recorded (and published as part of their report) by Southwark council after the implementation of the OHS changes to the junction of DV and Calton (in around 2017/2018 I believe) when it was still open to traffic. Southwark's own monitoring showed pollution increased. And before you ask let me put the record straight on your third claim: This was in relation to risk (both perceived and real) to pedestrians from cyclists through the DV junction once cars had been removed. I made the point that when it was a vehicular junction there was an order to it - cars flowed, then they stopped, pedestrians crossed and that since the road was closed to vehicles and it was made a cycle lane that the order had been lost and it was far more of a free for all. Again a long way from what you claim I said. There have been a lot of admin errors recently.....some think this is because Southwark is only concerned about the money-making element of these measures.

@Earl Aelfheah honestly, I don't want to bore people with having to correct you but time and time again you seem to interpret what people say to suit your own narrative/agenda and willfully misrepresent what they say. This is what I have the biggest problem with. Often what you claim people say bears no resemblance to what was actually said. Let's take this as an example: The Dulwich filter increased crime, when crime has been broadly flat since 2018, and trended down against the London average What I actually said was that since the filter went in certain types of crime on the surrounding streets have gone up. Which they have. Which is fact. You may not like it but please try to be accurate from now onwards as what you have claimed I have said is a long way from what I was actually saying. And this is exactly the point a lot of people miss as they tell everyone "them be the rules". The point is whether the council are deliberately going out of their way to create places where it becomes easier to infringe and then monetise that spot. Certainly a lot of people think they do and the AA is accusing councils of doing just this. (BTW it was a £65 fine that jumped to £130 but look how the council words their letters - you can see why so many people just pay up the AA alluded to this issue too) You can pay the discount charge of £65.00 if your payment reaches us within 14 days of the date of this letter. You can pay £130.00 within 28 days of the date shown on your PCN. You can formally challenge your PCN by using an Enforcement Notice form. The vehicle's owner will automatically receive the form if the PCN has not been paid within 28 days of the date shown on it. The form offers you the chance to formally challenge your PCN or pay the full £130.00. If you decide to formally challenge your PCN, please do not write to us again but wait until the Enforcement Notice form arrives When I read posters refer to me as "very, very childish", suggesting it's time to "put the big boy pants on" or that I am indulging in some sort of "pity party" I do laugh and wonder whether I am not actually the childish one here! 😉

But clearly nothing to do with the Dulwich Village LTN consultation....to which respondents, overwhelmingly, opposed the measures.

Did the council issue a PCN for him too.....my goodness me!!! Is no-one safe from their money-making exercises!!! 😉