Simian

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Huguenot. Thanks for the clarification. I get the impression that you seem to know what you are talking about, that you are well informed on current affairs and that you clearly have opinions. I often think that much of the politics from any of the parties are unclear, ill thought out and out of context, not just those of the LibDems. And that sometimes the policies that were thought to be clear, well thought out and in context can easily turn out to be a disaster. I didn't really expect Labour to have a policy on Civil Liberties, they are responsible for much of the erosion. If Conservatives are not making any commitments to stop/reverse the erosion, then I might and do suspect them to be complicit. Even if other parties may have a good stance, they are too small to make a large difference in parliament. I am glad that the Lib Dems are bringing Civil Liberties into the arena, even with what Huguenot says. If LibDems are the ONLY party making commitments on Civil Liberties and if Civil Liberties is my/your number one concern at the next election, does that mean that the LibDems is possibly the best option in the election...?

I'm not knowledgeable on the intricacies of politics so I'm getting confused already. Civil Liberties is NOT a party political issue? Is there a formal list of what can and can't be a political issue that I don't know about? I was looking at PocketPolitics in the Democracy section and Liberal Democrats seem to be making Civil Liberties part of their policies... Is this wrong?

@Huguenot: I'm going through your post... louisiana Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Simian, civil liberties is not a party political issue. Really? Maybe historically. I think it is fast becoming one now and I don't think that I'm the only one thinking that. Recent article from Guardian. > Can I suggest that you, or anyone else concerned > about civil liberties issues, support > organisations that promote civil liberties and > campaign so strongly on all this, such as Liberty > (general/human rights), Open Rights Group (digital > rights) and so on...? Already do. Have done ever since being stopped under Section 44. Isn't the purpose of these pressure groups to make the political parties listen and respond?

I haven't taken the time to research Civil Liberties properly so I admit to not knowing enough. But I am concerned about the very clear erosion of Civil Liberties in the UK. I have been stopped under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act three times in the last nine years: driving a van in the city helping friends to move house; taking photographs in London Bridge station and protesting against the Government's policies on Iraq. I was never arrested, because obviously I am not a terrorist, yet in the police's view I was a "possible" on those occasions. Being stopped under Section 44 feels a bit like being the subject of a bizarre candid camera joke that never delivers the payload. Ultimately they were unsettling experiences for me and I find myself wondering about other people's experience of the Terrorism Act and how much importance other people are attaching to their Civil Liberties... I'm not intent on starting a political party slagging match, but with elections approaching and as a proud floating voter, I want to determine which party has taken the best stance on this. I had a quick look through the three main parties policies and I think I have found the Liberal Democrats to be giving the clearest and most favorable message and I like what The Freedom Bill is about. Wondering what anyone else has to say? Or what advice anyone can offer on this subject...

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Lazing in a hammock under a tree on a sunny afternoon, with a gentle breeze in the air.

Wow. Amazing. She really touched the audience. And Tony Hart is a national hero and was an inspiration. :))

Thanks I've already read many many... I understand why you want me to read them. I posted on this thread because I didn't like the subtle personal attacks on character that were being used to a make a point. It's like watching a witchhunt unfold. I mean there are oddballs with eccentric, strange, or stalwart views in every area of society who give their profession/family/village etc a bad reputation. Continually tarnishing the rest of the profession/family/village with the same reputation just seems to come across as unecessary bigotry. I take the same viewpoint as that of Charles Fort's on Forteana & Mainstream Science. It's an outlook on life that never ceases to entertain. And so my opinion on this subject is: I believe that Homeopathy deserves time and funds to rethink itself, perform research, and deliver some grounded answers. It's survived to this day because of consumer support. Consumers don't have to be intelligient, or scientific, or blindly follow others opinion to know when something is not making them better. The consumer will stop consuming it and look for the next thing. Even this thread and the strong feelings expressed will become tiresome soon, and no-one will wish to read it anymore... ;-) SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Simian, do you also want to link to the many many > many articles the same Ben (Gold)acre publishes > trashing homeopathy?

@LRon Hubble - Interesting. You say homeopathy is placebo. Placebo tends to have a 25-35% success rate in many trials. Maybe the homeopaths are on to something... As for morals, I question yours, I can't find many posts on this forum where you are doing anything other than on a personal quest to destroy homeopathy. Sad. I don't believe you'll solve any world problems if you succeed, so no Nobel prizes for you. @Huguenot - your post above is the most deceitful and manipulative thing I've read all day. I'm sure you enjoyed being such a bully with your words. There's no Nobel prize for you either. Usually it is a caring person who trains to become a therapist, doctor or nurse. I'm not impressed with your questioning the morality of a homeopath - they are trained therapists and they're in the business of helping people with their illnesses, even before the remedy is prescribed. They are doing their very best to COMPLIMENT existing conventional practitioners who are also doing their best to help people who are ill. In many cases, people will turn to complimentary therapies because the conventional approach has failed them or exposed them to side effects from the drugs they have been prescribed. Yes. There are reasons to question homeopathic remedies and their efficacy, but there are also MANY MORE reasons to question the pharmaceutical industry. Because, boy are they deceitful! Boy are they manipulative! They know how to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. They know how to distort the results of clinical trials. They know how to market their chemicals. And the companys' give no guarantees on the safety of the long term use of their PRODUCT, so we the public, become their unwitting guinea pigs. Great if the drug really works as promised. Woe for those when it doesn't. There are huge number of cases of pharmaceuticals causing harm to many many people, I'll point you all to the Ben Acre's brief article on the Merck Vioxx scandal as an example. Do a little googling and you'll find out Merk and their Vioxx caused a lot of unnecessary heart attacks. Not only that but Merck knew the risks of their PRODUCT long before it was observed by medical watchdogs. Now there's some real villainy. Maybe pharmaceuticals is your business, which would explain a lot. But if it isn't, then I'm sure the both of you would make a better world for us "simpletons" if you were to take on the large pharmaceuticals with your vindictive attitudes. And if you succeed, well I'll award you every Nobel prize there is... x

Great thread Rhedd!! Sitting on a cliff watching waves crash on the rocks. :)

Pet shop, nah! A zoo, with elephant rides and monkeys to feed... :))

I'm thinking that posting one or two anonymous valentine cards to friends who are in relationships could be fun. Should stir things up a bit... ;-)