Lawrence

"I respect people who stand alone against the masses and I respect people holding a view contrary to mine" So do I, especially if they can express their views in an intelligent and polite manner. My feelings are a little different for those who need to impose those views on others. Everyone who has posted agrees smoking offers no benefits to baby, I think this was established on p1. "littering, smoking whilst pregnant or other forms of anti social behaviours." I understand you have a personal take on this discussion. Correlation is not causation, my step brother has asthma and his mother never smoked. Please try to understand that smoking, on a public street is not anti social behaviour. Babies were around a long time before civilised behaviour and healthy life styles. I think it is important to favour the rights of the mother, to do otherwise turns mothers into vessels, with no rights of their own. That however is a whole different debate.

Saila Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > >:D > ..... i have six months to live, i'll do ten > things i've never done before > > 1) sleep with two people at once B) > 2) do a bungee jump > 3) go to an all night rave > 4) run the marathon > > ... > 10) throw some litter for the very first time! > > rock AND roll Awesome. So if you happen to get preggers after receipt of the news is it ok to smoke or is it still selfish and disgusting. Discount the Megrahi factor.

prdarling Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Aaaggh God I can't help it. I know, it's painful. Narnia- I assume you chose to ignore the varied and logical reasons people offered regarding the differences between littering and the OP's behaviour. You still seem to think this is about smoking as opposed to the manners and acceptable behaviour. The smoker is only harming herself, POSSIBLY HER unborn child, HER family. You seem incapable of appreciating the difference with private health issues and anti social bahaviour. "I'm with you for what you did though I don't necessarily agree with you." I just don't get this, how can you support something you do not agree with? "Good for you though for following your feelings and not your head." I think a big part of what separates us from animals is the ability to apply reason before action. For example, if I were the smoking girl, my feelings would have led me to poke Lig in the eye with the fag. A split seconds thought would lead me to take a deep breath and calmly give her a piece of my mind in return. Appreciate the fact that we don't live in world where everybody runs around saying exactly what they think, I believe this is the basis of manners.

That stoat beer is scary. I wonder if that still qualifies as suitable for vegetarians? If you pee(boys only) around your garden, on your fences in in the flower beds the number of foxes(and possibly friends) coming into your garden will plummet.

Lig- "I see no difference between smoking when you know you are pregnant and teaching/making your six month old to smoke" I have nothing..

"You repulse me Lawrence. Your language is far more offensive than mine" My language not chosen without thought. Nor is it aimed at anyone based on their age, health, colour, lifestyle, education or upbringing. Only at you and your raving on the street and in this thread. You refuse to engage with anyone in a logical manner, and your views become viler by the page. What else is their to do but sling mud? It would appear that your language is fine but your actions and opinions seem offensive to more than just me.

"I said it because I felt shocked and disgusted by it. Period. It is not my business if she chooses to put her health and more importantly that of her foetuses, at risk. But I feel it is my business if I see something so evidently revolting to me and countless others, to express that revulsion" "if you choose to offend society with your socially and morally unacceptable behaviour, you are opening yourself up to be criticised." Fine, let's continue..... Are you now saying her babies health is not your business but whether or not she repulses you, is? You repulse me. As every post comes out you display less and less intelligence and compassion.

^Haha, you couldn't make it up! Personally I would not look to the US for correct English spelling. "Next time I see anyone pregnant and snorting cocaine or smoking a cigarette...I will definitely say something" We know. Have you considered ticking off every "chav" as they all smoke and will be pregnant within days? I hope next time you avoid "letting loose" and can be a little more constructive. Lets face it, what you did was have a bit of fun, as we did here. Keep us updated on your baby saving. Bravo "I saw someone throwing litter on the street today and I told them off. I've no idea if it was their first offence or if they do it all the time." I see you have a concept of of personal history, good, that makes you seem reasonable. Litter dropping is illegal, as well as a publik nuisance(as oppose to a private health issue). It is not addictive either. How did you handle it? Lig- Do you still not get that you cannot help unborn children, only expecting mothers?

.. and saved that history especially for this wind up? JR can spell "publicly" and has a totally different writing style and choice of language. Lig got backed into a corner and I think the best way out she saw was to whine and play victim, when that failed to work I think she found it more convenient to paint herself in an even more judgemental light, so rising her above the common masses, Daily Mail stylee. The PM a few of us got from Lig was just not from a troll, it did not contain the slightest hint of personal injury or hurt, real or otherwise. I think Lig was attemping to tell me off then report me to teacher. The admin bluff(sent to Sean too) would have a good chance of working, and cooling down my postings in the thread or eliciting a private apology. This is surely the opposite actions of someone on a wind up. Edited after advice that quoting PM's is poor form (why?) Edited again for attempted clarity.

.. and saved that history especially for this wind up? JR can spell "publicly" and has a totally different writing style and choice of language. Lig got backed into a corner and I think the best way out she saw was to whine and play victim, when that failed to work I think she found it more convenient to paint herself in an even more judgemental light, so rising her above the common masses. " From: Ligaturiosity To: Lawrence Date: 22/07/2010 14:54 Why do you feel the need to be so offensive? You don't know the ins and outs of what went on in the encounter I had. You may disagree with what I said - fine, but there is no need to be so offensive towards me. You say everyone supporting me has some kind of twisted logic. That is your opinion. There is no need to be so nasty. This is supposed to be about debate not name calling - as the admin has pointed at. I assume his post was aimed at you." This PM was just not from a troll, not the slightest hint of personal injury, real or otherwise. The admin line would have a good chance of working, and cooling down my postings in the thread or eliciting a private apology. This is surely the opposite actions of someone on a wind up.

"judgemental psycho" Is it still name calling if I just quote myself.

How is calling someone selfish and saying they should be ashamed for smoking a cigarette not rude and childish? Ligaturiosity- In response to your PM I am afraid I do not feel you offered a debate here. You described your actions in as much detail as you saw fit and ask for thoughts. You got them, in as raw a form as you offered to the aspiring mum. I, personally have felt the need to be rude because it gives you a taste of your own medicine. You could have knocked this on the head ages ago but instead you are now determined to make yourself the victim. Also what you deem "nasty" is in reality gentle ribbing. Despite the reaction here you still think your behaviour was acceptable and a good thing for others to take up. You also have no remorse about the fact that although you may walk a moral highground, your actions are likely to result in a negative outcome. You clarified that your husband thought your sentiments just but was concerned for your safety. At no point do you display any self doubt as to the actual merit of your actions. In all seriousness, there is a name for this behaviour. I'm sure if the admin was referring specifically to me I would have received a PM, until such time I'm afraid I will be trolling ya back. What is your opinion? Do you think there is merit in just saying what you think to anyone regardless of how they might feel? Judging from your reaction to me, I assume not.

The thread is about name calling, the OP kicked of with a story about telling a complete stranger she is disgusting and selfish, rendering her speechless. I think it warrants a little name calling. Everyone supporting the OP seems to have some element of twisted logic; 1 fag = instant foetal damage Africans = abusers Allowing a pissed mum to sleep until her baby developed 40% burns = heroic psycho = murderer It's all very narrow minded thinking.

"nice to see that she cared enough about this baby who has nothing to do with her as she thought he was going to get cold and ill whilst his mother is nice and toasty" No, thinking was what she did not do, nor did she care enough to wait and see if her concern was valid. She is a another gobshite busybody masquerading as a concerned citizen. "The fact that the woman and her burly friend said nothing indicates that they knew the OP was right, because most people like myself re above would defend ourselves if we feel we are in the right." Don't you get that all women in the UK know that smoking is not good for you, this is not about smoking being healthy or not but about rudeness, presumption and the fact that anyone with a couple of brain cells knows it is simply not constructive to humiliate friends let alone strangers. I take it you would be comfortable reminding overweight families in supermarkets that not only do they not need those choc ices but they are selfish and disgusting for having them. Nice. As Skye points out even our bondage curious OP is now keen to alter her story, silently knowing(as hubby did from the off)that really she has behaved quite badly. Hey, we all have bad days, I try not do dress mine up as saving the children.

"I let loose and told her how selfish she was and how disgusting is was to be smoking whilst pregnant, and so publically. I told her she should be ashamed of herself as well." "the woman in question left herself open to criticism by brazenly smoking while so heavily pregnant" I find the above opinions revolting, far more so than the cigarette the woman under discussion was smoking. I am sure any medical professional, Allen Carr or tolerant individual with a jot of common sense would tell you that humiliation is an ineffective treatment. (Eh fatty?) I believe the actions of the OP are borne out of self gratification rather than a desire to help or any real knowledge of the unborn child's overall health. Ligaturiosity- No vitriol on my part, I thought for your continued amusement you might enjoy the definition of psychopath, from WikiPedia. "Psychopath is a personality disorder characterized by an abnormal lack of empathy combined with strongly amoral conduct, masked by an ability to appear outwardly normal" Judging you solely on this thread, I am sure you define psycho. Seriously, put your guns down and leave the UK mums alone, they are all educated to the dangers of oysters, crack and cigs and can make their own choices. As people point out the fag could have been a one off, on the other hand, if that was one of her forty a day, washed down with white lightning or something healthy like brandy. Do you honestly think you were offering education or help or indeed anything constructive to the mother?

I imagine all mothers to be do things others will frown upon, ever used a baby walker? Tut. Personally I would far rather be the offspring of an occasional smoker than that of a high strung, judgemental psycho who thinks it acceptable to berate complete strangers. Untie Hubby and chill out.

Weak, really weak. No standards.

It is likely the failure refers to your main earthing conductor, these days they are often too thin for the 17th edition and need uprating to 16mm. Should only involve work between the meter and your (new)consumer unit. But I would not expect your supplier to contribute or help as this is not on their patch. The dual RCD is to keep up with our increasing hunger for more power and is a very good feature if you separate the circuits with intelligence- basically if the rcd trips because of that poundland charger, your freezer does not defrost.

Luckily Iron Knob did not live up to it's name. It could have been embarrassing at best, painful at worst.

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You need them more than anyone as the belly to plate rim interface is superior with the square models. Ideal for TV dinner gourmets or gourmands(see cm2)

I have a set. When using a dish washer you always have a maximum diameter of plate that will fit. Square plates rule as you get more eating surface area for the same plate width. Not sure what that says about me, I have some slates and shapely oak boards too. Nothing for Swiss roll though, must keep up.

I would prefer children banned from roads but that would slow evolution.

No doubt Bob's willingness to thrash 3 asians will have gained him a little more support with the sort of dumb, racist arse- scratchers that support the BNP.

Right you are, seems the biggest worry you will have is a compulsive need in later life to prove to others that, despite an errant youth, your mashed up brain can still be productive.