katie1997

(Crime against restaurants, spotted from passenger seat so didn't get best view for photo until too late which is actually from the front of the building - its difficult to tell where the tyre shop ends and the erm, restaurant begins...) PS am I on the right thread? :-S

ibilly99 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And Katie my wife > wouldn't be seen dead with em... they're Heinz btw So she says. It's all part of the plot, stage one. Have you checked your recycling bin(s) lately. Or does she insist on taking the rubbish out lately?. That's stage two. PS I think you should change the thread title for the sake of accuracy 'Highly improbable check-out fraud at sainsbos DKH etc' :))

Have you considered that your wife may be a secret potato-hoops addict and in an elaborate, machiavellian manner is trying to conceal it from you? You have to wonder.

Blimey when do you think the staff at the tills will have time to sneak off to eat their 'iill-gotten' gains such as a whopping great 'treat' as a carefully mastermnded plot, a 65p pack of potato hoops. You probably bought them by mistake anyway, check your grocery bags. And I have to say ibilly, this makes the Papa John's trailer (fresh ingredients, better slice etc) whingers look tame! Oh and shop local and independent next time ;)

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well in the R4 show Otta linked, John Humphry > certainly implies that it is! I didn't spot that but then I thought I had opened all the links to articles. Am genuinely shocked if hairdressing is being taught at secondary school in that case. Think am agreed with d_c and otta that a mix of subjects is valuable and we shouldn't be tellinmg someone who excels at woodwork that their achievement is nothing compared to eg being brill at maths. Def agree that targeted vocational skills are what's needed; one with industry support and buy-in with offers of training, experience in form of apprenticeships. But that schools must first ensure that as high as possible standards of literacy and numeracy are taught. You're right d_c that some subjects do help us to become good citizens and that in my view is a good contribution to the ecomomy/society as well. We got taught what I guess would be classed as 'citizenship' now - the welfare state, voting systems such as fptp, pr, the constitution, etc. We also did extr-curricular classes/projects in enterprise, setting up and running a business, coming up with products we made and a business plan to market/sell them. All good stuff. But didn't help get into certain university courses but then again, not everyone needs to go to uni to do what they want. Courses in personal finances at school level would be great, I agree with quids. Remember my poor mum trying to teach me that (in vain). I disagree with all universities being the same and think that the old technical colleges should have stayed as they were doing what they do well. Agree that golf course management should not be a uni course either.

I reckon giggirl was searching for t-shirts for the Ian Hunter gig. PS haven't read it but now I'M siding with the bear ...

Please, please, someone tell me that hairdressing is not taught at secondary school? Really? Mind you, what a welcome relief to check the timetable and see that you were about to be let loose armed with scissors, straighteners and a willing victim after Double Maths on a Monday morning. "Miss, Miss....Jemima's hair has gone a funny colour....exactly HOW much hydrogen peroxide did you say again? Oh." :-$

:-$ I took so long writing that I didn't see all the other posts in between, sorry.

Yes d_c I did think that someone might pull me up on that for it being a great leap. I am not denying that to be a good engineer (and am agreed about the lack of them in the UK), there is a necessity to have decent grades in academically important subjects such as maths and science. What I was trying to say (not very well I grant you) was that being good at those subjects does not necessarily enthuse or inspire pupils to take up such careers in the first place. In some cases of course it may but you cannot under-estimate the value of practical activities that help people to see their connection with maths and science. So if vocational subjects were deemed not as important, we may not get the benefit anyway. I was also trying to point out that it was perhaps a case of some vocational subjects holding greater value than others, for example, I would be dismayed if someone studying 'customer service' skills expected that to be weighted the same as a subject such as english or maths. Literacy and numeracy are vital - as said above by others. But there are equally good practical subjects out there too. Some people are better at the purely academic subjects; some people better at vocational stuff; some people work well choosing a mixture of both. Look at home ecomomics. I feel so old saying this but back in my day that encompassed: food & nutrition theory (yay), practical cookery, textiles & fabrics theory, practical sewing (ugh), making and mending type stuff. Now many people may view that as not quite as academically important as sciences, languages for the economy/job market. But I can think of plenty small (artisan if you like) food and drink producers, bespoke hand-made products being artfully produced by small businesses. So whetting people's appetites in some subject from a young age is pretty useful. I won't even go into the sponges/marbles/straws props that I know have helped younger children to understand engineering concepts and who knows, may well have helped theories to stick in their mind and inspire them to study something they'd previously not have thought of later in life ;) (sorry for long post, may edit later) edited to add the word 'people' for clarity.

...and for anyone out there wondering why dear HonaloochieB is so much missed from the forum lately, you only have to read this thread which also deserves a (tu) to BigBadWolf good one to revive El Pibe.

Perhaps the issue is that some vocational subjects are of more value than others? Some people are geared more towards vocational subjects (practical studies)than academic ones, and in many cases, both. If the vocational subjects are well-recognised and supported by the industries they relate to then this is a good thing especially if they offer training/apprenticeships. If they aren't then I'd say they were a waste of time. I wouldn't underestimate the satisfaction that may be gained from eg someone studying woodwork becoming inspired into eg engineering by the fact they've designed something, built it, taken it home and tested it, more so than a strong ability in maths and physics. haven't worded that very well but I think a good mix of subjects is really useful for later life. Employers are increasingly moaning about so-called highly qualified graduates having less practical skills to do the job.

What about faggots, mash and mushy peas, followed by Viennetta? (I've been (un)reliably informed..)

This is bad. I think I've just fallen for Huguenot.

What Hibbs said (she planted that in my head) with "double rock n' roll".

Pink Floyd - Careful with that axe, Eugene

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > AGW3 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > No need to be like this Udt. Katie is a > wonderful > > person. > > I've met her in person and she's a nasty piece of > work. She tried to get me banned by getting my > name associated with a another banned member. I'd like to say thanks AGW3 but I don't know who you are or if I do, I don't know your posting name from your one in real life. As for you, UDT, you met me once, briefly, at another forumites birthday drinks ages ago. Now I don't particularly mind if you thought I was a nasty piece of work as we're not ever going to be friends so who cares but what I would like to know - if you bother to answer - is why you think 'I tried to get you banned by associating you with another banned forumite'. I haven't done any such thing and I think you should get your facts straight before posting stuff like that about me.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Unfortunately, when you have people like Katie and > Hugo planting ideas into other people's head then > there will be problems. Gosh, what ideas am I supposed to have been planting into other people's heads exactly? What ideas? What people? Go on, I'm really interested in what you have to say. For once.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Katies, your behaviour on this thread isn't a > shining example either. I know. Its because if I'm honest, I have forgotten it was supposed to be about Fred the Shred and his Knighthood being redacted. Not a place to show off and brag about my extensive skills with Excel. And Powerpoint. > Otta had a problem with me for a very long time > and his over-usage of swear words doesn't make > good reading as well. Well, from reading the forum from the outside looking in, it appears that you're the one who has the problem with Otta, not the other way round - and not just on this thread either.

You can't have a decent debate in the drawing room either unless you look past the tabloid-esque thread titles...

Am I the only one who thinks Otta has been really good-humoured and patient, considering the depths of idiocy this thread has sunk to?

And Excel. Or if you want that in tech-speak (for those of us in the know), that's VBA.

Undisputedtruth Wrote: -------------------------------------------------------> > I followed the Banking crisis just before it > started. Mainly because the interest on my > mortgage had risen. Around May 2007, I couldn't > figure out the true scale of the banking crisis > based on foreclosures on the sub-prime market. In > August 2007, I thought it was funny that banks > couldn't trust each other in terms of lending and > concluded that these idiots were going to cause a > recession. By January 2008 I fully understood the > true scale of the losses as soon as I learned > gearing was used. You 'followed the banking crisis just before it started'. How can you follow a crisis that hasn't started yet? Can you see into the future as well as the numerous other skills you've claimed to have? In January 2008 when you 'fully understood the true scale of losses as soon as you learned gearing was used', were you working in the financial sector? I assume not, as all this mess could have been avoided I 'spose. What a pity. What's next?

Huhne has resigned, about time too.

Don't you mean NETTEball? ;)

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