Y'man

When I got married my Mum said, that woman can't cook and egg. Is that you Jemima?

I be bound to write to you - Muddy Waters...'shrugs'.

Working in the Coalmine - Lee Dorsey

Slinger

Stuck in the middle - Stealers Wheel

Declan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > At last a bit of honesty in a thread > title.............it really is rubbish. I wish the > council could collect those word and song threads > that go on forever and are way past their sell by > date. Ditto some of the posters.

Goodbye Yellow Brick Road - Elton John

A forum, by it's very name, is a place for open discussion. It is not a place where one should have to put up with peurile adults and weekend drunks name calling. So we differ in our tastes, ideas and ideals, to discuss should be mind opening, to be abused for ones views is door closing. Too many faceless people hiding behind too many personae spouting too much abuse. It's no wonder people are leaving, they're growing up!

I'll second that.

Evasion

You make me feel Brand New - Stylistics

Oh Come all ye Faithful - Avon & Somerset Constabulary Male Voice Choir

It's the giveusyacash bandwagon. In America they start christmas in September and the octoberfest in July. They push the calender back each year. GIVEUSYADOSHYAMUGS.

Superstition

Rock & Roll Part I - Gary GLitter

In Afghanistan & Iraq, have we been pulled into an unwinable war? Can we really accomplish our goals against the invisible enemy?

Should you ever, and I hope you never are, unfortunate enough to have a pilsner bottle smashed in your face for having the misfortune and, dare I say it, damned audacity to unwittingly share the same roadside footpath as a drunken psychopath, maybe you'll change your mind. Until such times, I'll count your vote as a no. A bit long winded but thanks anyway.

'People believe', a lot of things, that doesn't stop a good percentage of it being incorrect. One man's belief is another's debate.

My position is based on countrywide data, not simply the Met. What, exactly, does 'your own internal state' mean? You're trying very hard to shout me down without actually admitting to your personal opinion, see first post.

Hi Molo, actually I said nothing quite so blatant, I merely asked for opinions on something, giving my preference and an idea of why I think that way. Since posting on EDF I've found that what some people infer from what others write is usually way off base, I do wonder why that is! It always seems to precede an argument of some kind. As far as statistics are concerned, you have the same data access as I and everyone else. Good luck.

computedshorty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I have been mugged from behind and left bleeding, > glasses smashed into my eye socket nose gashed > unable to get up unaided, to attact an OAP person > walking with a zimmer frame, then runnig away > shows cowardice, I would not object to having my > assailent flogged, it would be bodily punishment > as in ( an eye for an eye ) that is the most > feared deterrant. > Having been flogged there would be no further > cost, as would be involved in inprisonment for > months. > I dont wear gold items as I dont own any, I have > no mobile phone, as for money what little I do > carry has been spent before getting home. I'm truly sorry to hear about this outrageous act of cowardice, Shorty. And I'm right with you on the flogging. Do you think that if you'd had a form of deterrent, a pepper spray for example or even the thought that you might be similarly armed, might have saved you this beating? How many of these cowardly scum get away scot free with this type of crime, never caught or caught and given an ASBO or simply cautioned or fined (Panorama aired 9th November 2009 and available to watch on The BBC website). It makes me feel sick to the stomach.

She - Charles Aznavour

Sugar me - lyndsey de paul

HAL9000 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Y'man Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Sorry, the shop is just a front. You can't > actually > > visit it and purchase these items ... > > Are we looking at the same website? The one I > cited provides addresses for shops in Arnhem and > Utrecht, their Mon-Fri opening hours and four +31 > (i.e. The Netherlands) telephone and fax numbers. > It also features photographs of the shops' > interiors. > > Here's another shop ((Personal Security Systems > Spyshop) in Amsterdam which (at the time) sold > virtually the same product range and which I > visited on several occasions. > > > What you may have seen in Amsterdam were like > many > > things, on the market for a short period while > laws > > were passed restricting them. I never saw them > but > > that's not to say they didn't exist. > > Fair enough. The site you originally linked to has addresses in Arnhem ,Netherlands and Sirketi, Turkey. It is nothing but a mail drop and front. The PSS Spyshop in Amsterdam does not sell items of self defense and never has, phone them and ask, it sells electonic defense items for the extremely paranoid.

silverfox Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My worry here is it could be used against the > innocent offensively as well as used by potential > victims defensively. Therefore no to legalisation > because criminals could abuse it. > > Having said that, my sister has carried pepper > spray, legally available in France, in her handbag > for many years. The way things are going in the UK, Silverfox, your sister is wise beyond, well, beyond East Dulwich Forum, I guess. I did say, in my original post, that they would have to be registered. I think they would also have to be properly supervised, one would be trained to use them corectly. Maybe have to do a course in self defense to get a license for one and suffer the legal consequences if used incorrectly. It's a sad reflection but it's coming to that, the police can't stop the mindless violence and the judicial system is no deterrent. I think, maybe, people's minds are changed when they've been at the thick end of it all.