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No, because I have been out much of today and only just got back. Until you wrote that, apparently two hours ago, I didn't see that you had edited a post you had already written to include it, and I don't usually scroll back through threads in case somebody has added something to an existing post! I will have a read. Thank you for posting it.

I agree it's a shame, but it is not a "sign of the times", unless you think that up to now people have never grown older and retired!

But there's a case for advisory guidance at least, surely? It's a safety issue, and surely just common sense? What do other countries do? And are there any statistics for accidents involving cyclists which compare those in daylight and those in dusk or at night, with and without street lighting?

So could you post a link to this ten year old survey, please, so that we can read the whole of the context to this figure, exactly what questions were asked, what the sample was, etc?

It would be reasonable to quote an old survey if the circumstances when it was produced were the same as current circumstances. In this case they apparently aren't. Perhaps Rockets could provide the link? Then indeed we can all decide for ourselves whether the survey findings are relevant in 2025, and (more importantly) relevant to the subject of this thread.

How is the conversation "getting skewed" by somebody pointing out that you are bringing in a ten year old survey to try to back up your views? And also pointing out some issues with your interpretation of the survey wording? It seems to me that it is you who is making this personal. It is you yourself who gets into constant arguments on other threads with posters when they point out the flaws in your reasoning!

I think part of the problem may be that if you are a cyclist and can see cars and pedestrians after dark, e.g. lit by streetlights and headlights, you don't realise that they can't see you when your bike has no lights and you are dressed in dark non reflective clothing. The other part of the problem may be that you just don't care, of course. ETA: Do Lime bikes not have lights?

Not really the point, though? I doubt cyclists who dress like this in the dark are or have been car drivers? Surely if they were they would be more aware of visibility issues? They are a real danger to themselves and others.

The leaves are swept, but at this time of year it's virtually impossible to keep on top of it.

Crikey, you haven't posted for years! What has prompted you to grace the forum with your presence with such an intriguing partial statement?

Yes, sounds like it, if they are normally open on a Tuesday evening? Thanks!

I think you were very lucky to get it cancelled, TBH. So far as I know, there is not some kind of unofficial period of grace after the publicised time.

Obviously I can't speak for them, but they have been a forum member for some years, and none of their other posts imply a connection with the council.