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Jah - I definitely thought you were black - for sure. But I NEVER had you down as a girl. Do me a favour. Rest assured Jah Lush - you're not ambiguous!

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Well it's not foolproof but there's an assumption that if a name ends in "a" it's female and if it ends in "o" it's an XY. Bet you had to think really hard to come up with Gazza didn't you Fido? It's only an assumption. Happy to be wrong. I think Narnia's a bloke - but only because of posts I've read. I've been spectacularily wrong on here about forumites' sex before. I'm a girl (the glue's in the name).

Narnia Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > Why does the name Narnia make you think I'm a > female never mind a lady? Because it ends in "a"

It is hard to get away from people who bang on about their phones all day. I'm surrounded by people at work who bang on about this app or that app. It's tedious - but I can't just walk away from my office - as nice as that may be.

As Rosie says, concealer is your friend. Go for something light-reflecting and don't be heavy handed with it - that just makes it worse. Don't put powder directly underneath your eyes either - that makes it worse too. Good luck.

Ligaturiosity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Waterbottle, thankyou for your post. IMO, yours is > the FIRST post from a smoker's perspective - and a > woman who smoked during pregnancy - which is > written reasonably and in a non dogmatic way. So all the previous smokers who've bothered to come on here and share there opinions have been "unreasonable" and/or "dogmatic". Dig dig dig dig dig. Make that hole deeper.

Liga We all make mistakes, every one of us. I think you made an error of judgement in doing what you did. Making a mistake is, however, not the end of the world. We're all allowed to do that. It's not the mistake that has kept this thread going; it's how you've handled yourself. That is why it's a car-crash thread. You haven't shown one ounce of humility, not one ounce of compassion, nothing but more of the same sanctimony with which you started the thread. Somewhere around page 3 you should have thanked people for their contributions and drawn a line under the thing. You could have done that you know. Instead, with every post you've dug a deeper hole. You've tried to manipulate by playing the victim (didn't work), accusing people of bullying you (nope, I haven't seen that) and now you're going with the "cyber bully, wouldn't say that to my face" old hairy chestnut. Well we're a small community with regular open drinks Liga so I think you'll find that most people don't really hide behind their screens on this forum - most of us can be seen out and about most days in ED. Your post yesterday about Keef was, IMO, a "big bully" thing to do, so I called you on it. I'm sorry that you think I'm angry with Heidi because aside from the fact that I don't agree with most of what she said yesterday afternoon, she comes across as a thoroughly decent and nice woman. She's worth engaging with. You are not. That is sad. You're either just not getting it or you're beyond stubborn. You could find a close friend maybe and ask them why they think you've gotten so many people's backs-up on this thread. It's simply not normal on the forum for one person to rattle so many cages.

No Tog - I didn't post to provoke. I'm a slow burner and, like I said, something is genuinely not sitting comfortably with me. Here are a few ponderings I would ask you to consider. If you are a woman with a large chest, men will stare at it regardless of what you wear. If you're a man, or a woman with smaller equipment, you're not really going to get that - we'd need to do one of those "Freaky Friday" films where you had big la las for a while - then you'd see what I mean. I've had a big bust since I was a teenager, so I'm used to it. Thankfully I've recently dropped a few sizes so at the moment it's merely "big", whereas it has previously been "visible from space". So I've had men staring me in the chest for many years now. However I'm dressed. For most of my life I've felt really uncomfortable with that. Sometimes, to make a point, I'd crouch down to get my eyes at the level of the man's eyes. That's a bit mean though. It's other women (mostly) who are prone to saying "if you've got it, flaunt it". I hate that saying. Fuck that. What does it even mean? I don't want to flaunt it. Quite simply; it's my body and I want to enjoy it and I want to feel comfortable being in it. One of the great things about getting older is that these days I'm really confident and comfortable in my skin. So if I meet any of you forum guys and you want to have a good old stare then knock yourselves out. I'm so not bothered. If it makes you happy, go for it. I'm pleased you're happy. Do I feel intimidated by this - not any more. Do I feel empowered by this - no. It is what it is. Except that, I've picked up a bit of an insinuation from this thread, that men staring at my chest is somehow my fault. And you know what boys; that's bollocks. Whilst I'm quite prepared to overlook this male predilection; I'm not at all prepared to take responsibility for it. You got that - if your eyes drift south whilst you're engaging with me that's OK - but don't make it my fault. I've finished making my point but here are a few wardrobe issues about dressing a large chest which you might find enlightening. I'm quoting Applesider from the very top of the thread because s/he is spot on and hits the nail on the head. This is how you correctly dress big boobies. Basically, if you wear a high necked top (turtle/polo or even a classic T), then, if you've got boobs, they will be massively accentuated since there's just a big wall of chest with nothing to break it up - all you see is the outer curve of the boobs. If you wear a scoop/V-neck, the expanse is broken up and it makes big boobs look more 'average'. OK, you got that - small boobies = high necked top and big boobies = v necked top. So a v neck is going to give some cleavage, yes. That's still OK, yes? Oh dear - unfortunately, here's where it all goes tragically wrong for so many women - they are simply wearing the wrong sized bra. They follow all the right advice to disguise big bangers and they fall at the last hurdle (wrong bra), so they look like their chest is trying to climb out of their top. It's not a good look, it's car-crash couture, and I see it all the time. It's crossed my mind whether the women described by Odyessy might fall into this category. I asked him to paint me a picture but he wouldn't - so I don't know. Anyway, here's what you do ladies, you get your bras properly fitted. Go to Bravissimo. Another problem with big la las is that they give you more wardrobe malfunctions than smaller ones. Even with a good bra. So you need to be ever vigilant of the little beggars trying to escape. Obviously I haven't confined my comments to "dressing in the workplace" but I would finish by saying that I think I dress appropriately for my work. I sit with a gay man and he's adorable and always looks me right in the eyes. Outside of work I dress as I see fit, whether it's jeans and a (v necked) T or whether it's full on bangers-out glamour. I don't dress for men or for other women; I dress for myself. I suspect that most women do.

My phone is 5 years old and I'll get a new phone when this one falls to bits. Not before.

Yes unfortunately it is true. Don't go there though - it's way too harsh.

There's something bothering me about this whole thread and I can't put my finger on it and I've been stewing on it and I still don't know what it is but something just isn't sitting right with me! It's niggling.

Oh do we have to? I've had a whole in-box of PMs telling me I'm right about absolutely everything. They're all too afraid to come out and say that in the open though. In case of the backlash.

HH - no, I don't know you at all. So what? Sorry I edited my post because I wasn't comfortable with saying gay in that context as it looked like I was saying that there was something wrong with being gay - and obviously there isn't. I was thinking of a list of issues that would need need parental sensitivity. Gay was top of my list but when I re-read my post it looked very wrong and just didn't belong there. Looked like I was saying it was a bad thing - and it's not. Sorry everyone, don't want to add a hetro/gay dimension to an already difficult thread. But this is interesting HH I know he will do what he wants at the end of the day when he is an adult and as long as he is not breaking any laws, I will be supportive of him. So if your son grows up and breaks some laws, you won't be supportive of him. Won't he need your support then? Sorry - not trying to trip you up and really not trying to provoke, but what I'm saying is - the world isn't black and white. People screw up, fall down, need support. Accept that.

Yes it is dramatic HH, but you are being really sanctimonious so I'm hoping that a little bit of drama might help you see that. Yes, some people are weaker than others - so what? It's only one dimension of a personality. Be a little more accommodating, a little more accepting of people's weaknesses. Acceptance of people despite their flaws is a STRENGTH. Today your child is a little baby but as he grows and develops he will become a flawed human being - with faults - just like the rest of us. Just to state the obvious - all these little "unborn babies" that people are talking of - in just a few short years they will be the ones having a crafty fag outside of the Bishop on a Saturday night. Some of them will take drugs, some of them will be smokers, some will be alcoholics, some will have criminal records, etc. So if today's grown ups are just seeing things in black and white - how well do you think you'll be getting on with your little treasures when they inevitably turn into flawed adults? Will you just shake your heads and say "I don't know what I did wrong?"

Yes HH you're right. Some people are WEAK. Let's save ourselves a lot of trouble for the future, put all the WEAK people against a wall and shoot them shall we? Serves them right for being weak. Good for you that you're not weak like the others.

Ligaturiosity - what a BIG BULLY you are and all the while trying to accuse other people of being bullies. Unbelievable. I don't think I've ever seen the like of such bullying on the forum. Throwing accusations at Keef on a public forum to say you've had PMs from (a bunch of cowards) not prepared to post on an open forum. That's a whole new low. (I've never met Keef BTW). And this.... Ligaturiosity Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I note that you 'habitually' pop up > shouting your mouth off on various occasions which > is fine I suppose...but definitely pot calling the > kettle black. > Is this a joke FFS? Don't have a pop at Sean for posting his views on a forum - that doesn't make him a bully. At least he's prepared to post what he thinks, not whisper snide remarks in private like you're doing with Keef. You're making personal attacks on people who disagree with you now and it's saying way more about YOU than THEM.

Don't make me have to call the RSPCA on your Rosie!

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Well that was unhelpful. You say this woman is inappropriate. I ask you to describe her. And that would be a no.

Sorry but is this a euphemism?

I'm loosing the plot here. Odyessy - the lady in question is in your office, yes? Describe please. Does she have large breasts? What does she wear? Is her top low cut, see through? What? Seriously - paint me a picture.

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Personally, I'm a kisser. Never more than three though. Pxxx