I do find it odd that people are so entrenched in their divisions over East Dulwich, fight ther progress and viva progress as it were.... I've lived here for five years, and first came here about ten years ago, well, nine, and, honestly, I do think its changed for the better. Yes, I could buy a roast in the Forresters or Palmerstone for a fiver, but it was never pleasant (reserved only for Sundays of abject hangover pain), and whilst I may not like all the bars on LL, I do like having the choice, and they make a nice change from the CPT (though I would never cheat on her!). I also like having the choice of shops on my doorstep (both the supermarkets and the smaller reatailers), I don't have a car and they are convienent and offer a good range of food, and stuff (as a 28 year old beer drinker I don't really get the stuff shops, but others obviously do and I'm happy tp have them around). For what its worth I think the butchers is great value for money, and moxons may change my attitude to fish - to eat it while we have it! Having said this, its not really the shops and bars that I like about ED. I'm not a house owner either (and doubt I will be around here), so making money from the area doesn't really bother me. I've found ED a great place to meet people and make friends, I think it has a great sense of community (there's an awful lot to get involved in should one wish too) and that's my main reason for liking it, everything else is just a bonus. (I also think this is what makes it different from Clapham, I imagine that C's far to big to have this).