Dulwich dweller

Oh dear. My exact words were------- I rarely wait more then five minutes. I have got to the Gardens stop when a 12 pulling away. I have RARELY waited more than five minutes, six or seven minutes at the very worst and never more than ten minutes, ever, You can put whatever timetable that want up but it doesn't alter facts or change personal experiences. It's not new nor a crime for busses to get to certain certain stops before time and quicker than planned. The time will be made up further down the route or if a change of driver takes place. This isn't a competition where one must be right and one must be wrong. If it was i'd be winning cause you've wrongly assumed that i don't mustn't use the 12 much. I do everyday and more often than not i use it more than once. You also saisd i clearly stated five minutes when that's not the case if you read the rest of my post. But but but you said 12 minutes when the above shows 11 minutes wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, You don't have an opinion on this ? https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/14032024-tfl-journeys-nearly-half-a-billion-a-year-below-pre-pandemic-levels

Not sure how you magically got five minutes when my post said six to seven. If it means you win the debate by all means move the goal posts as much as you need but my original post stands. It confirms it for you. Look at different times of the day and you'll get differing times. It was 22 minutes not long ago. Is this wrong? You never offered an opinion https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/14032024-tfl-journeys-nearly-half-a-billion-a-year-below-pre-pandemic-levels

On tubes apparently. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65821633#:~:text=The number of trips made on the London,101 million for the same month in 2019. Obviously not in your case because i do use it and have never waited for more than 6/7 minutes never mind 12/15. I use it daily from the Gardens or is that not regular enough for you? It still gets regulated because it's obviously covering it's route quicker than expected. Obviously,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/news/14032024-tfl-journeys-nearly-half-a-billion-a-year-below-pre-pandemic-levels

Dulwich needs more coffee shops,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Could do with a nice affordable greasy spoon type set up since Maria at the Grove cafe moved on. Dulwich cafe now also gone. They were great little places and always a familiar face or two about when we paid our weekly visits.

They needed to be cut and services reviewed because they were running on pre covid timetables. User numbers on public transport have fallen across the board as have journey's. Several drivers on the 63 and 363 routes have told me that. Work from home plus bike hire will have put a huge dent in passenger figures. I no longer have to sit on an idling bus while it ' helps regulate the service' because they've crossed London a lot quicker than usual so have to make up time by parking up and often with the engine still running. The city of London is much quieter and less populated during the working day. The 12 route is still a regular service. I rarely have to wait more than five minutes for it. There was a time not long ago when two and three of them were lined up behind each other along the route. The traffic flow in London will improve with less vehicles on the road.

Fair point. They could then blame themselves rather than older people for apparently ruining their futures.

Oh i though your load of recycled cobblers was about the noise. That's what was in the SLP article anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,, Mush (No smug smiley) Posted Wednesday at 21:42 There's nothing in the article below about time extensions Just noise. Indeed. Glasshouses eh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Mush. ( No infantile smiley added ) https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/news/this-year-is-the-worst-it-has-been-residents-near-brockwell-park-hit-out-at-festival-noise-levels/

Pal? You do know what you're on about because you've pulled up a bit from the SLP? What does that prove? Some people that bought expensive homes near a park that has long history of hosting music events in a bustling part of south London go into nimby mode and fib a bit to gain sympathy? Tough titties. A few moaning to the local rag is evidence of what? Another moan about not being able to access the park--------Not true-lies. The park isn't entirely out of bounds during events. They are enclosed- fenced off other than the country show. They could still hear the noise in Balham- doubtful but i suppose they know what they're moaning about-sigh. Having to drive to Dulwich to find a parking space? Parking illegally on THEIR street? More lies and those illegally parked would have been towed away but it's the weekend and people are free to park where they like unless it's a cpz or permits only which it isn't around Brockwell on weekends. I do know what i'm on about mush. You'll have to dig a little harder than a few moaners that seem more put out about parking for free. Ban everything then. Outrageous, i mean Dulwich for parking,,,,,,Tut. What next? Their cleaner and nanny suffering ptsd after being assaulted with Reggae and soul music? House price has dropped below a million? ---------------------------------------------- He added: “The Hoopla crowd don’t cause trouble but for the festival on the May bank holiday a lot of people drove here and the traffic was crazy.------ It seems it's only the festivals/ events that have reggae and soul are the problem and not Hoopla, a nice acceptable gathering for a nice white, middle class crowd! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brockwell Live organisers said: “During the event, both Lambeth council and Brockwell Live have their own independent noise consultants to actively monitor noise levels and take readings to ensure compliance with permissible limits. “Our sound levels have been agreed with the Local Authority and are built into our licence. The event team work very closely with the Safety Advisory Group and Lambeth Public Protection officers to ensure we do not go above the set levels for noise -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No laws are being broken and strict rules are being adhered to.

I'm really not fussed about it. Mainly because there's sweet fa that i or you can do about it so what's the point? I'm not going to get myself into a state over something i have no control over. I certainly won't pretend that i care about the environment whilst at the same time suggesting it should be moved to somewhere else unless of course that some place else is somehow immune to the same harm that you are so concerned about here? Are any of the alternatives you mention immune from what you claim to be harmful to Peckham rye? What about the ambience of Finsbury park being affected by security dressed in black? You still haven't answered that either. Why does the security being dressed in black matter? Extending the event beyond three days- a weekend basically- is highly unlikely. That would mean the site sits idle for the week and starts again the following weekend. That would incur huge extra costs for the organisers due to them having to pay extra rental fee's for around the clock security, perimeter fencing that doesn't come cheap, lights, stage, sound system, tent's, big screens etc. None of what i've mentioned comes cheap to begin with so I can't see how they'd make enough money to make it viable or worthwhile. Just for clarity what is your actual concern again? The environmental damage, blokes dressed in black with walkie talkies or park ambience?

I don't recall being asked. Extended as in extra days?

You're a bit of a pooh stirrer aren't you!! You're also the disingenuous one and very selective with what you choose to ignore or use to stir. I see you. They are required by law to be there and are essential otherwise the event organizers won't get a license. Security are trained to do many things. First aid is one of them. They are there to keep the area and it's visitors safe .They are there to help protect the public. You do like to make stuff up as you go along!! If there's a loud concert/ music event going on/ people coming and going/ groups of young revelers being a bit noisy and having fun exactly what park ambience are they not adding to? What kind of park ambience are you expecting from a music event? You didn't explain why you seem to have an issue with the security wearing black clothing. Care to explain? And incorrect mush. Read what i typed again and again and again until you no longer feel the need to twist what i wrote. I actually believe that you are trolling. What's your problem with security workers wearing black and using a walkie talkie whilst they walk and talk? That's very noble of you 😀No doubt gala will be relieved and equally grateful that you've backed down. A whole 3 days! I hope you'll be able to cope.

You come across as quite a selfish and inconsiderate individual. Are your gripes and concerns really about the park or is it about you having your peace and quiet interfered with? Why does it matter what colour the security are dressed in and how do you expect them to communicate when they are obviously mobile and patrolling? What do you expect people to do with walkie talkies other than to walk and talk?

Yes that'll be why Tesco's and the other local shops on East Dulwich road have empty shelves and think Xmas has come early. Rye lane and it's eateries do roaring business when punters walk from the train/ overground station, up Rye lane, stop for a beer, bite to eat before continuing on to the Music. My partner owns a foodies place on Rye lane and have a bumper time courtesy of the festival goers coming into the area via Peckham rye station. They can come and go as they please. In and out as much as they want. They are not fenced in as you want make it seem. It's not an open prison. Oh dear. You're making a fool of yourself with Daily mail/ The Sun levels of sensationalism and down right cobblers. I actually mentioned in an earlier post on this thread ( fifth post down on this page) that the groups that i see leaving are all fairly sober looking to me and not pissed and drugged up. You do see the odd bit of debris from the laughing gas canisters and balloons but no residue rizla packets, broken fags, empty weed baggies etc. Where do you get the adulterated cocaine theory from? Do you stand outside afterwards looking at peoples jaws and eyeballs or do you have proof? I've been a DJ for 35 years and have been around people on the powders and disco biscuits most of my working life. I can tell you that i can spot someone that's been indulging a mile off. I went to the actual event for a few hours last year with my Partner. One of the first things that struck me was how straight and sober much of the crowd appeared to be. Lots of balloons being done but hardly saw anyone off there bonce, or openly having a toot, skinning up or chewing their faces off. It was all fairly boring and very tame looking. It certainly wasn't anything like my generation of ' ravers ' were like when we were in our late teens/ 20's. I'm talking about the mid to late 80's and early 90's and when the rave scene in London was booming and the disco biscuits and marching powder were powerful and plentiful. By the way- all cocaine, mdma, speed etc is adulterated. If it wasn't there would be youngsters/ users dropping dead by the lorry load in nightclubs up and down the country every weekend.

It clearly is because the event goes ahead each year without major incidents, crime waves, antisocial behaviour and from my own personal experience it hasn't curtailed our use of the rye. We can still kick a football about with the grandkids, enjoy the gardens, walk the dogs etc.When it shuts down for the night the crowds disperse quickly. The area being well served by various forms of public transport helps see to that.

That comes across very much like- not in my back yard- Different events need different locations because they can't all happen at once and certainly not in just the three venues mentioned above. There are numerous concerts/ music events that happen across London in the summer months. There are umpteen genres of dance music, reggae, soul, funk, jazz.etc and lots and lots of popular events that have been going for years. London is huge with lots of people and lots of open space and Peckham rye is one of those spaces that can accommodate a large crowd. If it couldn't the event organizers wouldn't be issued with a license to hold their event, It's vast enough to accommodate an event that draws in big crowds whilst much of the Rye carries on being accessible to the public. I wouldn't describe Clapham common as a vast space considering there's at least three busy roads and three fishing ponds that divide it up. It also halves in size once the perimeter fences go up around the events area which is on the main part of the common which also happens to be the most popular part for joggers, dog walkers, bathers, team sports, skateboarders', anglers etc. ; Finsbury park is smaller than the rye. The foot fall coming into the area can only be a good thing for local independent shops, eateries and bars etc. Does Gala actually claim to be serving the community? How and why? What will we come to regret? And who has let them do this/ who is we? Was there a vote? What did you personally do to try and stop them? Yes summertime in Clapham, Hyde park and Finsbury park but not Peckham right? But not the green spaces in Clapham, Westminster and Finsbury park etc?z

And always will be. A gutless one at that.

Some fair and valid points made for both for and against. I think living in a big major city means there's more a likelihood of these events happening and more so where there's vast open space surrounded by various transport links. Just part and parcel of modern city living.

I guess the council will tell you that it needs the revenue raised because of budgets cuts from central government. It's the line Lambeth always rolled out when allowing concerts/ music events to take place on Clapham common. Are there overwhelming objections? I live opposite the Rye and many of my neighbours are not to fussed or put out by the event taking place. I suppose it depends on how near one is to the main area but i must say when the crowds are dispersing it isn't a problem, noisy, rowdy or disruptive. It seems to be tidied up and litter free at the end of each day. Also very unusual to see people drugged and pissed up and staggering about causing a nuisance. All very calm and well behaved compared to when i was that age 😇

London is a labour voting city so i guess we'll always get a mayor that comes from the labour party. I'm not all that fond of Sadiq but i think he does get a rough ride at times when he's bound by budgets and rules that are set down by central government. He gets a lot of stick and blame for LTN's and Ulez when i think the truth is these measures would be happening regardless of who is mayor. They are happening in many parts of Europe. I suppose it suits the Tories to have him in charge and someone to blame for all our transport ills. Bozo the clown was mayor when much of what's happening now was implemented but that seems to be conveniently overlooked by many.

This one below. Sitting up there with my son, the dog and a sandwich just gazing back into central London. Bliss. https://www.londonxlondon.com/one-tree-hill/

Why? Why should i be proud of it? Certain businesses. A cafe on the lane has recently gone. I doubt the owner would agree with you're assertion, a couple of boozer perhaps yes. DHFC brings people into the area for a time and no doubt it helps but any business is completely reliant on that or in danger of closing if the club wasn't here. Sainsbury's off sales might drop a bit though.

Well you've said i'm taking a pro cash stance too far. Perhaps not twisting- i used the wrong words but you are putting words in my mouth no? I'm not one for tech, that's for sure but how do you come to the conclusion i'm pro cash? I merely pointed out that cashless and using cards / card readers/ oyster readers/ and other terminals etc aren't risk free. If i was pro cash i wouldn't be using a card on occasions. Indeed. You can say that again. Irony and self awareness not your strong point is it? Indeed. Just as well you're not the judgemental type hey!! What a strange and arrogant entity you are.

You know when you are wrong but think you're right because the internet etc? Read it and twist it how you want if it makes you feel better. I use a card as well as cash. You are pro jumping the gun and pro cynical. Yeah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Pro cash 🙃Who isn't? Is being pro card some kind of middle class virtue signaling thing? Like jumping to conclusions seems to be. Oooh the uncouth commoner uses that dirty cash stuff. Orf with his head.

A repetitive tried and tested cycle that seems to be slowing down in London thankfully. Brixton was the start. Councils consciously and purposely let an area decline until that area is next on the list for social and ethnic cleansing and ultimately gentrification. In come the first wave of arty/ creatives to squat and house share. A few coffee shops and cool but inexpensive cafe/ bars and art spaces open up. The crackheads, dealers and other assorted criminals who were once left to operate openly and brazenly to sell, shop lift, mug, beg, purchase, publicly consume on decent folks doorsteps, stairwells,in bin sheds and without fear of the law begin to be targeted, rounded up and moved on. A few more jaunty and sustainable coffee shops/ bars appear . The Guardian and other facilitators in the media jump on the bandwagon, first claims of vibrancy are rolled out. Next step a few cool retro clothing shops pop up selling ' reclaimed Levi's for more than they originally cost and ten times the price of what the recently departed charity shop charged. Foxtons open a branch and the arty types and first wavers/ drivers have there first moan about there initially paltry rents going up. The guardian do a generic lets move to Brixton, Dalston, Hackney, Deptford, Walthamstow type double pager. Interview a graphic designer or two who have just bought a former crack den on the manor for next to peanuts. They will later bemoan the next wave who have more money than them. Cool, edgy and vibrant are now the buzzword bingo must use lingo. Few more coffee shops ( how original ) Pop up everything,. Organic and sour dough move in. The night time economy starts to thrive, more cool bars and eateries open. More squats and the last crack house that was once one of many are cleared out. Second wave is around the corner. All of a sudden there's a visible police presence again and the streets are safe for fun seekers with plenty of disposable cash to chuck about on a dose of vibrancy with added coolness. By this stage even the locally brewed beer is organic. There's queues outside the newly arrived organic, sourdough, artisan and sustainable bakers. Instagram has Brixton trending. The greasy spoon of thirty year has gone cause the lease is up and the landlord has hiked the rents up by 60/70%. Followed by small family run independents that served the community for decades and more. The local characters, activists, eccentrics are getting less and less. There's a new show in town for a week or two and until the next brand arrives. Brewdog move in. Former job centres are converted into bars but peak edginess means it's still called the job centre. Followed by a couple more chain eateries. The resident DJ'S and music venues are replaced by another generic brand boasting guest chefs. The Guardian lifestyle section is now on it's fifth or sixth orgasm. Turn a few pages and hypocrisy is rampant with articles on the evils of gentrification, foxtons, capitalism, social cleansing and unaffordable housing. The middle classes continue to arrive in there droves to buy into the vibrancy and multiculturalism supposedly on offer. There isn't much multiculturalism going on at the packed latest place to eat, drink and fart. The multiculturalism on show comes in the form of bar staff, doorman and cheap as chips uber drivers and delivery workers. Rice and peas, jerk everything, red stripe at six quid a can from some hipster haunt that is currently flavour of the month and the place to be seen. The first wavers are now blaming the latest hedge funded brand that's pulled into town for driving gentrification and there soon to be hastened departure to be first wavers again somewhere else. Less cool but up and coming here we come. Covid has certainly helped/ been a factor in slowing down the process of gentrification. I also think it may be the driver for almost putting a stop to it. Remote working, less need to move to London to be near an office, less disposable cash, sky high rents, worthless degrees that relied on that disposable cash , different priorities, knife and gang crime and a large dose of much needed realism has put a huge spanner in the works for the shitty process and cycle that is/ was the gentrification and social cleansing of working class London. Manchester and Liverpool is next on the list for the planners. Thankfully.

Or don't stop using cash. Stop using your phone or even your watch as a banknote. At the same time avoid the risk of having your card cloned at cash points, by hand held card readers, oyster readers and point-of sale terminals to name a few. God only knows how much damage we're doing to the planet because all the above must require a hell of a lot of resources and juice from the grid. It won't happen though. I know of quite a few people who deem carrying cash about as a pain/ chore. But not a big lump of plastic with a screen and full of personal information that can be easily gleamed. I feel the same about carrying a phone about so i don't most of the time. I'll be in the minority but certainly don't see or treat a phone as a necessity. You can't get a banknote out of your sky rocket with a phone in your hand. It's become a source of dopamine for many. It's an addiction for many. They're an easy target for thieves. They're a godsend to cyber fraudsters who are stealing billions and are doing so without the need of cash points.