Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy

Wigan

Well blow me down wiv a fevver, I'm not alone; someone else believes dailogue and compromise will bring about peace, prosperity and security. "But [Obama] suggested that Israel has hard choices to make and that his administration would press harder for it to do so. " He also mentions the "other side" and a partnership which is the problem. Of course its going to take dialogue for a solution to be reached, thats exactly how solutions are generally reached. However, this will not happen until the "other side" accepts a two state solution which, despite your claims to the contrary, it refuses to countenance.

Blackburn?

I can't imagine someone called Clopton Lloyd-Jones roasting aspiring models in hotel bedrooms. They were cut from a different cloth in those days.

Steve Gerrard?

I presume you mean Notts County? No, the shirt manufacturers made a mistake. By rights Juventus should be playing in red

Well done, will raise the bar next time. Like a lot of Italian teams, they were started by an English ex-pat. He ordered there first set of shirts in England and asked for them to be a copy of Nottingham Forest's.......

What Football team's strip did Juventus copy for theirs? (Extra point if you know why)

Sorry didn't see the clue...Grace.

Terry Moore?

Andy Ripley Alan Knott Sonia Lannaman Daley Thompson Wayne Shelford

dULWICH PARK FAIRY - they will be showing 6 nations at the herne out the back. What, in the outside building?

PLEASE PLEASE no sports - there are plenty of other pubs in ED, please keep the Magnolia sport-free There really isn't though. The CPT is a useless space for watching sport, which just leaves the Vale and the EDT. We promise to leave before 7 o'clock, honest.

Last time I went in the Phoenix my wife went into labour and I had to leave me pint! Couldn't she have walked to Kings by herself, or waited 20 minutes?

I hope it survives but I preferred the old pub, sorry. Can you show the 6 Nations matches? Please.

Irish Blood English Heart Nah, I ain't no boggy;-)

As a matter of interest, DPF what is your nationality? I guess I'm British but I would consider myself more a Celt.

Criticism of poorly justified military action must be national prejudice? Discussion of Israel's domestically and internationally recognised kill-ratio is a blood libel? Mockney is anti-semitic? There was I thinking that I had clarified that I misunderstood what MP said and retracted the statement. Piersy has consistently said that the solution lies in compromise, and that compromise doesn't involve Israel attempting to win a protracted battle that entails the starvation, parching, disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of people. This is common sense. Piersy also highlights that the pre-1967 borders have received general acceptance. But that is my argument, that this "general acceptance" is a complete fallacy. As of 15:30 today only Egypt out of all the protagonists has done this and Israel reached a settlement with them. Can someone please give me a list of states and political organisations which have recognised the existence of Israel in its pre-1967 borders? Article 242 called for Israel to withdraw from the territories it occupied in 1967 and its neighbours to accept its existence and make peace. They refused to do this so Israel kept the territories until such time that its neighbours complied. Why should Israel have given back the territories it won without any concessions from the defeated parties? More specifically with Hamas, despite MPs denial of this, they still uphold its original charter which rejects any possibility of co-existing with Israel. Its not going to change its position on this so where can dialogue begin? Instead your kind of rabble-rousing language is the very root of the problem. This kind of cr@p sends young kids to murder and be murdered in your name. It perpetuates a struggle generated by old men of limited imagination who cannot stop the fight because it has become their very identity. You mean Hamas and Hezbollah?

Luckily I have a big spade.

Or are you taking MP's midwife comment to mean literal midwives slaughtering babies? See above post, to be fair I am trying to work as well.

So, because he is disagreeing with you he's anti Israel and anti semitic? To be fair, I think I took the word midwife a bit too literally hence the "blood libel" thing. I therefore officially withdraw the anti-semitic accusation. He is though, like most of the left in this country appallingly anti-Israeli.

sorry but you're like a broken record, over and over "we can't talk to them"/"they want nothing short of Israel's destruction". And, despite your claims to genius and impartiality you come across as being disturbingly anti-Israeli, and, by resurrecting the "blood libel" myth, quite anti-semitic. You fail to address; If Hamas are being so reasonable in there attempts at reconciliation with Israel why have they repeatedly refused international community demands to recognize the right of Israel to exist? Also, why does it refuse to modify its original charter and abide by the previous commitments of the Palestinian Authority? What UN resolutions has Israel has broken through its "illegal" occupation of Palestinian territories. The only thing I have tried to google is your rather sinister claim that Israeli midwives committed genocide and have drawn a complete blank. Could you tell me what period this occurred in so I can narrow my search?

I wan't the one googling a couple of pronouncements, nor have I once repeated spoon-fed propoganda from either side. Strikes me DPF has fallen for it from both. He's doing it again!

'll continue to read many history and play close attention to unfolding events, and apply trained historical analysis accordingly. You can carry on googling a couple of pronouncements and basing your conclusions on them. You're going to be really embarrassed by that post in an hour or so :)

Post 1973 everyone is in agreement that pre'67 borders are the ones that need to be discussed and adhered to. That's everyone, yes including Hamas and Iran. Noone is seeking to push them into the sea. don't give me Ahmedinejad nonsense, he has no say over foreign policy at all, but he felt pronouncements like that would help his chances of reelection (actually they've mostly back-fired and he'll probably lose the next election). Then why won't they recognise the sovereignty of Israel in its pre-1967 state. You are absolutely insane if you think groups like Hamas intend to peacefully co-exist with Israel. So the main things to discuss are Settlements, a viable palestinian state, governance of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. A viable Palestinian state? What, you mean Jordan? I don't have the figures re the UN, but there have been a host of UN resolutions post 1967 particularly regards the occupied territories, Yeah and none of them were binding unless Israel's neighbours recognised its right to exist. Only Egypt did this, and guess what, Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula.