Penguin68

No, it's because they won't let something as petty as public opinion stand in their way. Which is why they initially targeted an area, but fell back onto individual roads, and they've even gone to part roads in the past to squeeze something into start the rot rolling.

I have reported on this site before of an incident witnessed by my daughter when a cyclist was attacked by a car driver (with his car) as a clear road rage incident - which the police only responded to with a questionnaire sent to my daughter several days later, her having reported the incident to the police on her phone as it was happening. The cyclist was slightly injured and his bike totalled. However this incident as described may well be a car driver responding (probably ill advisedly) to a phone or similar snatching incident - we do know that goes on and in spades recently. The (very probably) later arrival of the police cars may well have been a response then to a report of a crime (and not dangerous driving) - but here, please note everyone, I am just speculating.

Well, let's just hope, then, that the cyclist wasn't one of those who are phone snatching, and the driver not someone trying to make a citizen's arrest, otherwise this narrative would be stood on its head.

I'm sorry, but this is an entirely rubbish analysis. The numbers of people who were either residentially qualified to, or were aware of, this' consultation' were only a few streets in East Dulwich and not the whole of the area, which is made up of more than one ward. We know that those (well, at least one) who back the council's agenda participated in the consultation, although not even Southwark residents. Making an assumption that those who didn't say 'no' to a CPZ would have said 'yes' is statistically unsound. When there was a wider consultation a few years ago which involved those on both sides of Lordship Lane, as I recall, those registering against a CPZ were still equally and proportionally as high.

... So a very credible and immediate risk, then...

Standard Marxist entry strategy, and yes, he initially self identified as a Marxist before later removing that detail. His evident hatred and disdain for the Kulak class probably suggests Bolshevik leanings. Even Momentum, I've been told, considers his clique too left for them. But then, as Trots they probably would.

That logic would suggest that, taken to extremes, if I was the only one in a road who wanted a CPZ, a liitle one outside my house would be created, just for me. Which is probably the mindset of those who did vote for a CPZ and will be livid when someone else on the street parks outside their house. Which they will. The CPZ logic has always been to reduce the parking space in CPZ roads to fewer places than residents cars need to spread the pain to adjacent streets. That's how it works

Sunday working is very expensive... Why would they care anyway? It's not as if we have an option to go to an alternative supplier.

I do know that the bin men are tasked to empty the relevant bin to their round and to move on, so street collection bags won't be covered by them. They are given quite demanding routes daily which they have to cover. Street sweeper bag collections I think are done by those lorries with cages.

Actually probably paid for from all the traffic fines and CPZ revenues, but that money could have been used more clearly for the public benefit on road repairs etc. But almost nobody in Dulwich actually asked for this expenditure. All they have ever wanted was more effective traffic management through the centre of Dulwich for improved safety and traffic flow. Which they ain't got!

But this collection is not a function of the bin men who work demanding hours, they start very early, in an unpleasant job. You have attacked them when you should be attacking, if anyone, their managers in either Veolia or the council who are failing to schedule timely pick up of street collected rubbish. Or perhaps paying for it. You have moved from saying the rubbish is poorly collected household rubbish to saying they are street swept rubbish,not collected quickly. Very different things.

The shots are mainly of Melford Road and the rubric suggests that the street cleaner bags on 'Thursdays'. The general rubbish collection is on Tuesdays. If the bags haven't been collected on Friday, but have been left for general disruption over the weekend then the bin men will see simply a rubbish strewn road with this rubbish not in any bin. They don't have time to street clean themselves so will not collect it. I reiterate that the crews I see for general rubbish collection, the 'bin men' are careful and considerate in their collections from bins, some of which are indeed very full, to overflowing. They don't collect bagged rubbish left on the street away from bins, nor have they the time or are tasked to clean the streets of scattered rubbish.

I had not realised your photographs were of the road I live in - which I must admit I do not recognize. I had though they were not Underhill Road but elsewhere. Apologies. I had thought I was writing of my own experiences in Underhill Road but obviously I don't know my own streets. When the men I watch tip rubbish into their lorries they do not seem to spill out into the road, but obviously my eyes aren't good enough to see this.

And, if some feedback results are true, work not required, asked for or wanted by a majority of those who are deemed to be 'benefitting' (and I may be using that word quite wrongly) from this scheme imposed during lockdown against the wishes then of the majority, who had resisted earlier proposals before the then government gave councils the right to ignore local opinion during a perceived medical emergency.

The Veolia teams that have serviced Underhill for the last few years (certainly before lockdown) have generally been very tidy. A few spillages but not noticeably many, and often from very overfilled bins. I have seen them take brooms to sweep up real accidental spillages. There are problems with fox or cat scattered rubbish from accessible bins, and from food wrappers discarded by passers bye, but that is neither Veolia's nor the council's fault.