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A lot to agree with here - don’t get me started on Irish people complaining about immigration! - but that final paragraph is once again a cop out there’s a lot of extreme right wing money stirring up the division that people are feeling - but there is zero excuse for handing power to these people. We live in a democracy and if we have enough people willing to give it up then judging those people foolish enough to do so is not only something that will happen, it is something that the rest of us should be morally compelled to do if someone wouldn’t “normally” vote for a racist party yet somehow will do so because they hear someone like me saying that would be bad, then you better believe I’m judging them

That is a bit cake and eat it tho, isn’t it? At what point do we stop respecting other people’s opinions and beliefs because history shows us we sometimes simply have no other choice you are holding some comfort blanket that allows you to believe we are all equal and all valid and we can simply voice different options - without that ever impacting on the real world Were the racists we fought in previous generations different? Were their beliefs patronised by the elites of the time? Or do we learn lessons and avoid mistakes of the past? racists/bigots having “just as much to say” is both true and yet, a thing we have learnt from the past. The lesson was not “ooh let’s hear them out. They sound interesting and valid and as worthy of an audience as people who hold the opposite opinion”

What is your beef with me ? Why are you asking rhetorical questions? fighting me but excusing reform? have a look in the mirror you’ve lost your way

You fight against by not pretending. By calling it what it is. Instead of slyly pretending they are not racist “actually” recognise what the country is facing and say “no” why do you even need to ask the question?

that is one cliche-ridden post headnun it doesn’t mean a sack of beans in the real world “old fashioned voters” meaning the ones dragging the country down this last 15 years just to laugh at the libs tears. Well done all I’m not looking back at all. This is not a post Europe world in any sense. There are forces bigger than Europe but uk would be better aligning with Europe against, say, china, the pretending we live in some post Europe world. and in case you hadn’t noticed, whoever you vote for, there are a LOT of ignorant racists feeling very happy with their resurgence - I would fight against them if I were you

I have sympathy with any voter, anyone, who having witnessed the last 14 years and then Labour in the last year and wonders just how can things be this bad unless a) they voted for brexit b) voted Tory after 2010 c) is thinking of voting reform because anyone who thinks reform won’t make things a thousand times worse after voting for the previous? It is they who are the problem. They are the reason the country is in the doldrums with an embarrassingly-timid Labour government Specifically Chris mason - a not very bright right leaning stooge - large part of why bbc news has become grok-level slop

“There was an excellent discussion on Newscast last night between the BBC Political Editor, the director of the IFS and the director of More In Common - all highly intelligent people with no party political agenda ” I would call this “generous” Labour should never have made that tax promise because, as with - duh - Brexit, it’s pretending the real world doesn’t exist now. I blame Labour in no small part for this delusion. But the electorate need to cop on as well. They think they can have everything they want without responsibilities, costs or attachments. The media encourage this Labour do need to raise taxes. The country needs it. Now, exactly how it’s done remains to be seen. But if people are just going to go around going “la la laffer curve. Liars! String em up! Vote someone else” then they just aren’t serious people reckoning with the problem yes Labour are more than a year into their term, but after 14 years of what the Tories did? Whoever takes over, has a major problem

You wouldn’t need to be Emily Thornberry to figure out which places are most likely to have them up cant believe the crap she got over that

Well worth a read https://manchestermill.co.uk/the-men-who-raised-the-flags/

You would think by now people would be more media savvy but no “it’s lead story on bbc!” Like that means anything in 2025 in what sane world would a teams be entitled to 36k for a petty oversight like this. Absolute binfire of a reaction

what's the point of this thread - is there some accusation that the sermon is out of order in some way?

Anyone who trusts AI results doesn’t know AI

Or another thing journalists could do if they wanted to is unearth how many reform or Tory MPs are landlords with similar or worse errors

Two wrongs might not make a right. But the two wrongs could at least be of equal value before we get too judgey paying an estate agent to deal with all of the admin on my to have the estate agent not point out all of the admin vs Deliberately hacking into an MPs email. And boasting about it (Badenoch) as for throwing a local estate agent under the bus, when did local estate agents become the good guys? doesn’t sound like estate agents are being thrown under a bus - they are fessing up. And Reeves doesn’t look to have done anything wrong yet people will still believe the worst anyway https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/30/rachel-reeves-row-standards-adviser-looking-at-new-infomation?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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