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Looking at the table in reductions Lewisham was only slightly lower than Bromley. In absolute terms the outer boroughs have a lower KSI rate, perhaps less cyclists, less traffic per km, less pedestrians just wandering across the road, whatever. Lots of data that 20mph reduces death rate so if outer boroughs adopted this they'd have even more impressive figures. https://airqualitynews.com/cars-freight-transport/40-fewer-deaths-on-londons-roads-since-introduction-of-20mph-limits/

I'm down about 50% in numbers and more in species since three years ago. Not sure if it is the weather, continual building works, the quality of my feed or the pigeons and parakeets putting off others. Good conversation on Winterwatch on feeding tonight, including issues with spreading disease. Three years ago, likely to see long tailed tits, dunnocks, song thrushes, corvids, wood pigeons. black birds, black caps. Possibles - redwings. Unlikely to see any this weekend, only blue and great tits, robin, goldfinches, bloody feral pigeons.

@Rockets twenty or so people have had their tyres slashed costing collectively getting on for £10k and you get on your soap box based on no knowledge of the local situation whatsoever. Spreading alarmist rubbish?

@Northern Star Underhill is a reasonably long road that goes from A to B ie will be used as people have a destination to go to rather than using it as a cut through. Including Whateley most of the roads off it are minor, ie Underhill has the priority. To me that means it is not a minor road. Happy to call it something other than a major road, but not sure what other definition can be used. I've no in depth knowledge of how traffic flows have varied over the years, but in my living memory it has never been an isolated farm track and has always had a flow of traffic down to and back from LL.

Haven't a clue what you are talking about. Do you know the roads? I do, and have used them for years. If you live on a main road there is traffic. And yes, I do agree with you, there are a lot of selfish drivers. I was one once.

@Northern Star thanks for your post. Just a couple of points. I consider busy/congested is a subjective thing. Underhill is a main road and therefore will have significant traffic on it. I've used it regularly over the years, and never considered it particularly congested. It felt like it picked up some additional traffic during the Grove Tavern roadworks, but I do not see that now. Compared to roads such as the A23 going through Brixton and Streatham it is free flowing. If some vehicles are being directed down this way, and I still cannot see why, what new drivers will find is pinch points, particularly at the Barry Road junction, and slow sections where there is not space for two vehicles to pass or the P13 is running. The link to the 2019 brochure is interesting, looking back. Much of this appeared subjective, and the thing that really got me was those worried about speeding cars. Speeding has nothing to do with road management - unless fairly severe traffic calming is put in place, but is due to irresponsible driving. Something most of us have been guilty of at sometime during our lives.

No it's not, stop speculating. I said only post you had something helpful to say. You can't stop yourself.

I like the use of the world real estate, something we don't tend to use this side of the pond unless we are talking large pieces of land. I understand that real estate does cover individual properties. Perhaps estate agents used to be known as real estate agents. Let's ask AI Ah, it started when they were involved in selling the estates of the landed gentry, and then moved into the mass property market.

You really need you to explain this as it confuses me. There is congestion for example at Barry Road, as you would expect where it meets a main road. There is congestion sometimes due to the P13. I do not see Underhill as a particularly busy road, It is a main road so of course it is meant to take traffic, I really don;t know what this displacement you and others go on about. Are you saying that it takes traffic off Forest Hill Road and Lordship Lane? That is a new one on me. The South Circ, apart from when there was roadworks at the Grove Tavern, appears no better of worse than it has been for most years I have lived in SE London. If you are talking about traffic from the South Circ using underhill then Wood Vale and Underhill at the junction would see a lot of traffic, I don't see that and would question why it would go this way rather than down LL. Similarly if they went some convoluted way such as Friern, Uplands or Barry Road onto Underhill. I'm afraid it just doesn't add up. That or I am living in a different world. No you are not, you are not addressing my point but avoiding it. Just answer the question, does this scheme affect you? It hardly affects me. I await your answer in anticipation (and hope).

I understand you live further away. Underhill was my cycle commute for twenty years. I still use it regularly inlcluding yesterday and today, pretty quiet at 8.30. Why can't you accept the simple fact that you are not particularly close to the affected roads and are affected as much as I am. It's a fact. The nah nah nah playground response isn't very constructive.

I'm struggling to see the predictions of gridlock on Underhill. Its a means to get to East Dulwich, Camberwell, Herne Hill and the like. I'm not sure why on a normal day it is, or will be seen, as a serious rat run. You go on about congestion during rush hour in the Village, this is caused, and has always been caused for the majority of times, by the school run. Now if you campaigned to discourage parents driving their kids to school, that would be something that I would agree with. @Rockets I expect this proposal has virtually no impact on you. As it has little on me. Do you need to fight other peoples' battles?

In deed he is so deserving of the Novel Peace Prize and should annex Norway in retaliation. And Scotland. Obviously it is interesting hearing different views but prey give me the evidence why he is so wonderful @marco130 Do you not agree with TACO?

I had a good look through the responses, a good deal of them were in support. Another thread with a lot of reactionary posts. I'm sure most will appreciate the new cycle infrastructure when completed.

The majority of buses in London can run exclusively, or for large periods of time, on electricity. Mayor Khan who has done a fantastic job in modernising the fleet, dare I say following on from Mayor Johnson (ignoring the idiotic decision to invest in a new Routemaster). By 2030 all of the London fleet will be electric or hybrid. Well done. Perhaps this will prise some of the people I know who insist on driving despite their Freedom cards - not aimed at anyone specific on this site.

Depends on your definition of idiot. I use the term to describe someone of low intellectual capacity. But understand that this is now not used as seen to be offensive. In that respect he makes decisions that are good for him, and his close followers. Whether they are in the interests of the US that is open to debate (in the same way that history will debate all major leaders eg was Thatcher/Reagan good for the UK/US). On line definitions: An idiot is most commonly a term for a stupid, foolish, or senseless person, often used as an insult or to express frustration with someone's silly behavior, but historically it was a clinical term for profound intellectual disability, which is now considered offensive and obsolete. The word comes from Greek roots meaning a "private person" or layman, evolving to signify ignorance and lack of skill before becoming a derogatory label for low mental capacity. Modern Usage Self-deprecation: Used to describe one's own silly mistakes ("I felt like an idiot when I tripped"). Insult/Exclamation: A very foolish person or someone acting stupidly ("Don't be such an idiot!"). Historical/Obsolete Meaning Medical Classification: Once a technical term for someone with extreme intellectual disability (IQ below 25), a usage now rejected as offensive. Origin Greek (idiōtēs😞 A private citizen, layman, or someone lacking professional knowledge. Latin (idiota😞 An uneducated or ignorant person. The notable recent 'idiot' was Johnson who of course played the fool (lovable rogue) but that served him well So ultimately not a good word as it can be used in many ways. Ignorant is another good example - can be stupid, unaware, or simply rude.