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That’s an extra sign isn’t it? The one with the timings was still there recently.

No it is not what I think but what the results of the recent CPZ consultation showed. The majority were very clearly against a CPZ and did not feel it necessary. Surely they are the best judge of traffic levels in their neighbourhood? I am talking about CPZ?! Despite clear results against CPZ it has been imposed by the council anyway. Why? Although in their guidance they more or less flagged they would go ahead indicating consultation is just a box ticking exercise. I do think of the huge upfront investment they made last year in CPZ infrastructure and personnel (cameras, wardens etc.. running to millions). That was before they backed down on a borough-wide CPZ, but I do wonder if that is partly the motivation now? Improvement is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, no doubt you and Southwark Council view Dulwich Sq and the new CPZ as improvements. As you must be aware, not everyone shares that view.

Are you saying you’re against potential improvements to the public realm and the environment from a potential surplus? I don’t get the point.

It is all quite convoluted but I believe parking surplus derived from CPZ can be used to make improvements to the public realm and environment. I guess it depends on definitions, but reducing pollution and improving air quality ( alleged by- products of CPZ) is arguably about the environment.

Fair enough. If you think there is no issue with congestion or parking, then maybe a CPZ isn’t needed. Again, not sure what that has to do with either the square / LTN (this thread is about CPZ), or PTAL.

But the majority of residents in the area CPZ consultation have no problems parking and prior to Dulwich Sq no problems shopping ( for some access is now a bigger issue). It was possible to limit the CPZ to that road where parking was an issue - mostly I believe down to school students parking. But many residents have also complained about issues with diesel-powered school coaches parking.

It doesn't - PTAL impacts LTN decisions - or rather, it should and it was Southwark's own guidance about PTAL which was overturned when it came to implementing the Dulwich LTNs. I certainly didn't introduce PTAL into this discussion - I merely pointed out that someone referencing environmental issues as a CPZ justification seemed to be confusing CPZs (about parking pressure) with LTN (about the environment and 'healthy' travelling). And your view that PTAL is a function of population density and not lack of public transport is simply wrong. Dense populations attract, because they are fiscally rewarding, more public transport, but it is the amount of public transport (frequency, convenience of location of stops) which influence PTAL scores, not the population density. Correlation does not imply causation.

Go right ahead!

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You could massively increase the frequency of buses running through the village. Many people would still have the same long walk to the bus stop. the fact is that the lack of density in terms of housing, the many, wide open spaces, are a significant factor in the Vilage’s relatively low PTAL I also do not understand how a relatively low PTAL somehow makes the argument against a CPZ? What’s the link in your mind?

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No, the quickest way would be to implement more, and more frequent buses, and indeed more frequent trains, neither of course in Southwark's remit. If you made housing more dense without doing this it would make the PTAL much worse, as even more people would not have access to decent public transport. Housing density may make supply of public transport more fiscally attractive BUT IT HAS TO BE SUPPLIED (my shouting). As it is you'd just have more people trying to catch the same number of poorly supplied buses.

@first mate, why don’t you have a look at the Southwark budget docs (all published) and ask your councillor to answer any questions you have. We have already discussed PTAL. It’s clear there is a misunderstanding of its relevance to this debate. The quickest way to increase PTALs in Dulwich Village would be to build a load of high density housing / flats near the main road, or to have buses cutting through the park. The reality is that the character and topography of the village explains its score. But more fundamentally, a lower PTAL does not suggest it’s a good idea to encourage more cars from outside the area, and more congestion, or make it more difficult for residents to park, or visit the shops.