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Looking at the table in reductions Lewisham was only slightly lower than Bromley. In absolute terms the outer boroughs have a lower KSI rate, perhaps less cyclists, less traffic per km, less pedestrians just wandering across the road, whatever. Lots of data that 20mph reduces death rate so if outer boroughs adopted this they'd have even more impressive figures. https://airqualitynews.com/cars-freight-transport/40-fewer-deaths-on-londons-roads-since-introduction-of-20mph-limits/

I'm down about 50% in numbers and more in species since three years ago. Not sure if it is the weather, continual building works, the quality of my feed or the pigeons and parakeets putting off others. Good conversation on Winterwatch on feeding tonight, including issues with spreading disease. Three years ago, likely to see long tailed tits, dunnocks, song thrushes, corvids, wood pigeons. black birds, black caps. Possibles - redwings. Unlikely to see any this weekend, only blue and great tits, robin, goldfinches, bloody feral pigeons.

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Thanks for the information about the wildlife group. I didn't know about that. And thanks to Sue for the links.

What am I wrong that Tyre Extinguishers were vandalising car tyres a couple of years ago? Do you not think this is a similar MO and likely to be someone with a similar "environmental" agenda? Do you have any better ideas?

I got mine through the post with their mag (I'm a member) but if you haven't signed up yet, you can download a printable guide from the RSPB website (you need to scroll down quite a way). https://www.rspb.org.uk/whats-happening/big-garden-birdwatch

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Oh no it's not..... No I do not believe Waze would have done that pre-LTNs. The reason? Waze makes it recommendations, amongst other things, from other cars using Waze stuck in traffic. If you look back at my messages from around 2020/21 I was saying how bad the congestion at Grove Tavern had become post LTNs and how it snaked back up Lordship Lane often to the Court Lane junction. Why? Because I was often there every day at the bus stop.

@malumbu we’ll have to agree to disagree.

The follow-up London Assembly Transport Committee met yesterday to discuss what was causing the congestion in London. Some very interesting discussions - worth listening from about 58 minutes. I got about an hour on from that and some key highlights thus far: TFL acknowledging that traffic was down in London but competing road usage needs was contributing to additional congestion TFL admitting that some LTNs are causing additional congestion TFL being told reminded by the chair that every answer about congestion cannot be balanced by the response for the need for active travel TFL talking about the downward trend in KSIs and then one Assembly Member saying how is it that the borough with the biggest drop in KSIs is Bromley, a borough where the 20mph limit is not in place - as clearly a leading question from the Assembly member and TFL said he would need to look at the numbers TFL acknowledging that for drivers of private vehicles there will be a slowdown as they make more road space available for sustainable travel

@Rockets twenty or so people have had their tyres slashed costing collectively getting on for £10k and you get on your soap box based on no knowledge of the local situation whatsoever. Spreading alarmist rubbish?

@Northern Star Underhill is a reasonably long road that goes from A to B ie will be used as people have a destination to go to rather than using it as a cut through. Including Whateley most of the roads off it are minor, ie Underhill has the priority. To me that means it is not a minor road. Happy to call it something other than a major road, but not sure what other definition can be used. I've no in depth knowledge of how traffic flows have varied over the years, but in my living memory it has never been an isolated farm track and has always had a flow of traffic down to and back from LL.

Yes. It goes via East Dulwich Grove. The idea that Calton Avenue was a 'major East / West corridor is just silly. It was at best a way to cut out the lights on EDG, saving a couple of minutes max if you were travelling from the Village to Lordship Lane. Do you honestly believe that Waze didn't always direct cars travelling from Goose green to Forest Hill around the lights and the Plough junction during rush hour? Honestly? The fact is that as apps such as Waze have become more popular, more and more people are being directed down back streets and around lights / major junctions.

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@malumbu I am impacted by the traffic on Underhill, as I Iive in the area so I see the traffic every day, in particular the morning rush hour. I am not home in time to see the rush after work. Underhill is not classified as a main road I would have thought or A road? It is busy for a residential road, 4000 in my view is a lot for a residential road re speeding - cars were very much speeding down whately prior to the crossing being added in the middle of it. It has really helped kids going to Heber school - so streets for people 😀 sorry all - I know this thread is not about Underhill but anyone who lives close I am sure is not super keen on the through traffic, whatever the cause. Many drivers who are going towards Sydenham / Forest Hill use this cut through. And yes satnavs suggest it, in particular to avoid the lights by south circular so it must have some time advantage. I agree that 2019 report is subjective but definitely highlights issues I think a lot of people in the area would agree on. Sorry all to divert the discussion from Ryedale.

Err @Earl Aelfheah sorry, what? You know Forest Hill is on the A205 right? How as what I said nonsense - just a reminder I said.... Let's look at one example: if you are trying to get to the A205 from Goose Green roundabout and want to avoid the congestion at the Grove Tavern junction which way do you think you are going to go? Oh @Earl Aelfheah - ok, let's break this down for you - it's not about the journey you are making - it is the journey others are making and congestion caused by that. You seem to be missing the fundamental point I was making in the post you selectively clipped- go back and read it again and see if the penny drops. Actually, let me explain this to you by the journey you searched for on Waze - to get to that part of Dulwich Common you used to be able to go via Calton and what is now Dulwich Square. Now you can't - so traffic has to go another route. Interesting isn't it that Waze did not suggest going via Grove Tavern and a right turn there - why, because of the congestion? You are doing a great job of highlighting what the stark realities of LTNs are.

Thanks for the reminder! And if people have time, please pass on any sightings to our Wildlife Group as they compare the local numbers with the national count. Email [email protected]. thank you!

Oh I see. So we’re ignoring the example you gave (that was nonsense) and trying another one. OK. Do you really think that the route given by Waze to get to Forest Hill (no longer to the plough junction of the south circular) is different because of a filter on Calton Avenue? When would you ever have gone from goose green via calton Avenue to get to Forest Hill? Waze always tries to direct people around the lights. It always has. It’s what it does on Ryedale too. Are you serious?

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